AVB Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Retsdon said: The UK is following the Yanks down the path of politics as tribal warfare. You pick a team and barrack for them, regardless. Imagine if Diane Abbot had driven 270 miles in the middle of the lockdown (knowingly carrying the virus) and then concocted a whole fabricated story about 'emerging into lockdown London' and sold it to the newspaper? This off topic section would glowing red with outrage! It's actually funny....except that this kind of politics doesn't really answer in a healthy democracy. I strongly dislike socialists but defended Kinnock Jnr when he was slated for making a trip to see his parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumble Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: He has too much power for many people and others seem afraid of what he will whisper in Johnson's ear. A witch hunt - full stop. He’s an unelected bureaucrat with odious views who unduly influences gov’t policy directly by having the PM’s ear. It’s quite amusing seeing Brexiteers who previously wailed about the EU being full of unelected bureaucrats now supporting exactly what they previously claimed to oppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 thank god for cummings the media were just starting to rev up on Brexit as virus on the back foot after months of doom and gloom we had many many months on Brexit in the past and bored stupid cummings took one for the team now the gutter press are focused on him while the government gets on with more important issues gutter press bbc etc how I wish reporters could inform us of good and bad elsewhere in the world rather than tell us government is wrong in difficult times unprecedent times the press is found to be lacking day after day I have lost faith in the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 6 hours ago, AVB said: I strongly dislike socialists but defended Kinnock Jnr when he was slated for making a trip to see his parents. Good point. Labour’s quietness makes me believe they have a few quarantine skeletons in their closet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 I reckon it all hangs on whether or not the second trip is real or some absolute div in the press making it up. 5 hours ago, Bumble said: He’s an unelected bureaucrat with odious views who unduly influences gov’t policy directly by having the PM’s ear. It’s quite amusing seeing Brexiteers who previously wailed about the EU being full of unelected bureaucrats now supporting exactly what they previously claimed to oppose. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Bumble said: He’s an unelected bureaucrat with odious views who unduly influences gov’t policy directly by having the PM’s ear. It’s quite amusing seeing Brexiteers who previously wailed about the EU being full of unelected bureaucrats now supporting exactly what they previously claimed to oppose. The EU is run by unelected bureaucrats! The UK government is advised by bureaucrats, the elected government run the UK!......Another remoaner attempt to discredit brexiteers by twisting the truth? 😂 Edited May 24, 2020 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 The more the government defend this the more infuriated I have become. It will be interesting to see the reaction when asked for comparison with the family of Ismail Mohamed Abdulwahab, a 13 year old child who died alone in hospital as his family were not allowed to be with him due to Coronavirus restrictions. Or the countless nurses and doctors isolating away from their young children just to do their job. My mum and her siblings couldn’t go to my 42 year old cousin’s funeral after she died of Coronavirus. The government have badly, baldy misjudged public mood on this one. It’s going to go much further than Cummings now. I would not be surprised if there are issues both sides of the aisle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 Have you all forgotten,,,,, Rules of government... Do as we say ....Not as we do......!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 I'm not too sure of the legalities of what he did , but the press are certainly getting their knives into him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, mel b3 said: I'm not too sure of the legalities of what he did , but the press are certainly getting their knives into him. Yes the left wing press haven’t forgiven him for delivering Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirokuMK70 Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 33 minutes ago, WalkedUp said: badly, baldy misjudged Ha ha! A slip of the typing finger, but quite apt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 Just now, mel b3 said: I'm not too sure of the legalities of what he did To me - that is they real key issue (and I'm not too sure either!). It has been established (certainly as far as I'm concerned) that the trip to a separate isolated accommodation at his parent's property ......... with essentials 'dropped on the doorstep' by family members was not strictly illegal. I don't think it was necessarily 'wise' but I can understand why it was done (for their child) and it apparently wasn't illegal. None of the facts that he did it are disputed. I have not heard that they left the car at any stage between leaving home and arriving at his parents. He apparently returned to London by 14th April and was seen (filmed?) in London. It is then alleged that he returned to the Durham area and was seen there on 19th April - and also alleged that he was seen walking 30 miles from Durham. IF these are true (and I believe he denies them) - then it is difficult to see how that could be legal? Could it be that he regarded returning to London as 'going to work where he could no longer do the work remotely? Possibly. The walk in the woods - 30 miles away? Don't see how that can be sensible at all ......... but is it illegal? Don't know. Whatever the legal position is - these allegations haven't left a good impression. No one seems to know if they are true. If it is shown that he broke the law he should go. No question. If he didn't break the law, that is up to him and Johnson as to whether he is sufficiently compromised by silly and thoughtless behaviour that he has to go. That is a question for them to resolve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 26 minutes ago, MirokuMK70 said: Ha ha! A slip of the typing finger, but quite apt! Hahahaha what a typo. The amazing thing is that I re-read that section before posting as something ‘looked’ wrong but being dyslexic I just couldn’t see what was so nakedly apparent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 Quote The EU is run by unelected bureaucrats! The UK government is advised by bureaucrats, the elected government run the UK!. Agreed. Quote If it is shown that he broke the law he should go. No question. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 He is safer than a safe thing in a safe place. Safe!. Exactly like everything he did with his actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosswaters Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 I saw Cummings as well, he was in our local fish and chip shop as bold as brass and Elvis served him lightly battered haddock and mushy peas I couldn't believe my eyes and .I was really shocked because he didn't have any chips anol. ........honest 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Ruler Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 If he broke the law he should go, but one thing is puzzling me, the bloke who says he saw him on the second trip says he googled his car reg number to be certain it was him. Can you do that? Sounds dodgy to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, Mighty Ruler said: says he googled his car reg number to be certain it was him. Can you do that No , the man is lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 If he goes it will be a ‘Mandelson’ and he’ll be back. With everything else going on in the world I couldn’t care any less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, Mighty Ruler said: he googled his car reg number to be certain it was him. Can you do that? Sounds dodgy to me. I wondered if you could Google him and find an image which included his car - and showed all (or even part) of the registration. Having had a (very quick) look, there are images of him with a car, but no visible registration plate and a few images of him in what appears to be a silver car. It is possible that the person who saw him gave the number to the press - who will know the number as they have photographed him getting in/out of the car at his house in London and presumably have paparazzi stationed there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lancer425 Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, Mighty Ruler said: If he broke the law he should go, but one thing is puzzling me, the bloke who says he saw him on the second trip says he googled his car reg number to be certain it was him. Can you do that? Sounds dodgy to me. No you can not. That is utter BS . 16 minutes ago, Mungler said: If he goes it will be a ‘Mandelson’ and he’ll be back. With everything else going on in the world I couldn’t care any less. He is not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted May 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 There's a bit more to it than the issue of whether he has broken any laws, which is obviously for the police and CPS to deal with. There is also the issue of his conduct, integrity and honesty - qualities which he is contractually bound to display by virtue of his employment as a special advisor and temporary civil servant. Specifically, amongst other things, he is required to "retain the confidence of all those with whom he has dealings". Right now it's getting very hard to square that requirement with reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bavarianbrit Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 I have just watched the whitewash by Boris. That"s it, I will not trust Boris or his government in the future. A blatant ignoring of rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, bavarianbrit said: I have just watched the whitewash by Boris. That"s it, I will not trust Boris or his government in the future. A blatant ignoring of rules. thank you at last someone honest enough to admit the truth we were all laughing our heads as if anyone would swallow the cobblers and joe public will feel the same can’t make my mind up who the bigger liar is biffo or cummings lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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