AVB Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 Whilst I don’t like the EU I can’t understand why people don’t want any trade deal? Are the same people who are against an EU trade deal also opposed to a deal with the US or Japan or whoever? I don’t believe our negotiators would deliberately shaft us just because it’s ‘the EU’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 Just now, AVB said: Whilst I don’t like the EU I can’t understand why people don’t want any trade deal? Are the same people who are against an EU trade deal also opposed to a deal with the US or Japan or whoever? I don’t believe our negotiators would deliberately shaft us just because it’s ‘the EU’. We would love a trade deal, but no deal is far better than a bad deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docleo Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 05/12/2020 at 08:44, 12gauge82 said: I very much hope so, maybe a little bit of short term pain, but no deal will be fantastic for this country, certainly miles better than any "deal" the EU has offered until now. How do you know? Genuine question and hope you're right in case of no deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: We would love a trade deal, but no deal is far better than a bad deal! Of course but there appear to be people on here who want ‘no deal’ because it’s the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 Just now, AVB said: Of course but there appear to be people on here who want ‘no deal’ because it’s the EU. Possibly, but that is a little short sighted in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 45 minutes ago, Vince Green said: I would rather be paying more taxes that go to the UK treasury and used to pay off the covid debts than give it to EU bloody right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 Don't think they'll let us go without desperately trying for some restrictive deal. If they were so confident they're ok without us they wouldn't be here. Just hope we don't give in or were stuffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 05/12/2020 at 09:09, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, we can always boycott buying French wine 🤔👍 I did that decades ago when they were emptying lorries of uk lamb and burning it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 With the 1st of January fast approaching and nothing finalised I wouldn't be surprised if there is an extension of some kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Cosmicblue said: With the 1st of January fast approaching and nothing finalised I wouldn't be surprised if there is an extension of some kind. I don't think so, will be a last minute deal by doris and merckle and co making doris the hero! 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 hour ago, AVB said: Whilst I don’t like the EU I can’t understand why people don’t want any trade deal? Are the same people who are against an EU trade deal also opposed to a deal with the US or Japan or whoever? I don’t believe our negotiators would deliberately shaft us just because it’s ‘the EU’. I would love a trade deal with the EU, a sensible trade deal, the type any other independent country would reasonably sign up to, the problem isn't so much the EU, its some of our own politicians who are hell bent on remaining, even to the point of harming the UKs interests to stay, I simply don't trust them and after the last few years can you blame me? For that reason I think it probably better at this point to just leave, take the damage and then see if the EU will negotiate a sensible deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I think it probably better at this point to just leave, take the damage and then see if the EU will negotiate a sensible deal. same thoughts this is the right course to take eu tried to bully us into staying so can’t be trusted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) "you can check out any time you like but you can never leave" From day one the EU has never tried to negotiate a deal, all it has ever done is try to dictate its terms to us. Edited December 6, 2020 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 From reports seen in the media it seems the hold ups are mainly fishing rights and state aid for business.well the eu decimated our fishing industries fleet with their super trawlers and other eu countries have blatantly propped up some of their industries.as far as i can see if the rest of the eu are denied access to our fish then it will give a chznce for stocks to recover.and our fleet coulx increase to supply the home market instead of buying it back off others.as for helping industry why not as creating employment can only bd a good thing.as we have a massive deficit with the trade we do with the eu it would be a self inflicted wound on their behalf if tarrifs are brought into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) I think any deal will be tied in with at least some compromise of sovereignty which is why no deal seems to be the preferred option for many of us. EDIT: In fact many of us feel the EU is simply dressed up as a market for the naive. Edited December 6, 2020 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 Macron will no doubt ask the UK to sign off an agreement in the Wagon of Compiegne. The man is delusional and incompetent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 Iceland has flourished after leaving the EU it LEASES THIER FISHING RIGHTS TO THE EU AND CAN CONTROL THE STOCKS WHAT COULD BE EASIER? Ah i forgot our politicians will lose their EU pension funding and cheap travel etc. poor thingsBosses here should have been training apprentices for every trade because when we joined this club Apprentice ships declined as labour ready trained came from europe leaving most of our youngones in dead end low wage jobs.Coventry where i grew up lost its tech college due to a shortage of apprentices and the college site is premier inn hopefully we can get some industry back The Scottish trawler fleet was scrapped that is a job creation in hand making new ships and all the other knock on jobs as well We can now map our own destiny as long as politicians do not scupper the boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 I am very worried we will be sold down the river and they will let the EU have access to our waters and fudge the uk fishing industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 Apparently (according to Farage's social media) some deal has been agreed on fishing. So it seems the sellout my have begun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Apparently (according to Farage's social media) some deal has been agreed on fishing. So it seems the sellout my have begun What’s wrong with having a deal on fishing? We don’t need all of it so makes sense to use it as a bargaining chip. Edited December 6, 2020 by AVB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 We'll see but after 4 years of politicians, the media, big business, banks, some celebrities and many others doing all in their power to overturn the largest democratic instruction ever given by the people to the politicians, like others on here I won't be holding my breath and am ready to be well and truly shafted again. I very much hope I'm proved wrong. And now this, who knows what's happening behind the scenes. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9022893/Last-throw-dice-Brexit-pact-talks-resume-Brussels.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, AVB said: What’s wrong with having a deal on fishing? We don’t need all of it so makes sense to use it as a bargaining chip. Nothing is wrong with an acceptable deal, but I doubt very much that France has moved, so by deduction it must be the UK that has moved and we were already offering too much for little to nothing in return! Edited December 7, 2020 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) borris tell them to go forth and multiply others will follow its what they are afraid of i remember going in it wasnt this bull **** it was about trade red tape opening borders not setting prices ripping us off Edited December 7, 2020 by Saltings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 13 hours ago, AVB said: What’s wrong with having a deal on fishing? We don’t need all of it so makes sense to use it as a bargaining chip. Are you a fisherman? Alot of the people who fish our waters voted out to get those waters back!! If we concede to the French then alot of people will be up in arms over it. Bargain chip yes, sell out NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 30 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: Are you a fisherman? Alot of the people who fish our waters voted out to get those waters back!! If we concede to the French then alot of people will be up in arms over it. Bargain chip yes, sell out NO So in your mind what would be acceptable? We currently get 20% of the catch. If we had 100% where would we sell it as the EU would probably close that market. I get it’s emotional but where would you draw the line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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