Chinese spies

[Dave-G]

Obviously a lot more to come out yet but what can we speculate on, real threat or an otherwise undisclosed secret released to deflect partygate ?

[Weihrauch17]

She targeted Barry Gardiner, might as well have gone for Dillan the number 10 dog he knows more.

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, I would not put anything past the the Chinese government , did it not happen in the USA ?

[Humblepie]

I am going to get abuse for this post but going to post it anyway. I like the PW site because of the talk from the field, off topic, great advice (at times) and general banter from the members. However, this has to be said.

When I first mentioned Susan Michie on this site, Director of the centre for Behavioural Change and a leading light in SAGE that has driven the government thinking on covid, lockdowns, face masks, stop socialising, 2 metre rule, and total fear tactics, etc and also a fully paid up member of the communist party, I was ridiculed as a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theory looney. I was given dogs abuse on here, to the point of being told my licence should be revoked.

Today we find that the CCP have infiltrated HM Government and have done so for the past 6 years, and no doubt across the world. Italy making it compulsory for over 50’s to be vaccinated or otherwise be find. What next…imprisonment or worse?

Cancellation of people who speak out against so called “woke” principles, Black Lives Matter, Climate Change Nutters, Extinction Rebellion or any other looney left groups you want to include. It’s all the same message, conform or be alienated.  If you stand up and be counted you are labelled as an Anti Vaxxer, Right wing thug or on here a conspiracy theorist or worse a disseminator of lies. None of which I class myself as. I am a reasonable bloke who sees what is right and wrong and make my own judgement and what I am seeing is an attempted destruction of our democracy and liberties.

Probably going to get more abuse because of this post, which is fine but I would ask you all…….why don’t you wake up and see what is going on?

This has never been about a virus from day one, it’s about control and taking away your liberty. Something that our forefathers fought for in years gone by and this country is rolling over and letting it all wash over them.

we should be ashamed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[yates]

Take a couple of paracetamol and lay down for a bit, you’ll feel much better 🙂

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Barry bloody Gardiner, you utter FOOL!

Edited January 14, 2022 by TIGHTCHOKE

[matone]

Dave nailed it with Partygate deflection timing.

[Newbie to this]

Headline - 

Spy storm MP Barry Gardiner denies being made a ‘useful idiot’ by China, stating it must be false as I'm not useful!

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/barry-gardiner-christine-lee-chinese-government-spy/

 

Disclaimer - I may have added to the headline.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

47 minutes ago, matone said:

Dave nailed it with Partygate deflection timing.

Plenty of room for all the Party Gate, Chinese Spying and Prince Andrew stories to run at the same time!

 

Too many idiots constantly filling the headlines with their stupidity.

[Walker570]

6 hours ago, Humblepie said:

I am going to get abuse for this post but going to post it anyway. I like the PW site because of the talk from the field, off topic, great advice (at times) and general banter from the members. However, this has to be said.

When I first mentioned Susan Michie on this site, Director of the centre for Behavioural Change and a leading light in SAGE that has driven the government thinking on covid, lockdowns, face masks, stop socialising, 2 metre rule, and total fear tactics, etc and also a fully paid up member of the communist party, I was ridiculed as a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theory looney. I was given dogs abuse on here, to the point of being told my licence should be revoked.

Today we find that the CCP have infiltrated HM Government and have done so for the past 6 years, and no doubt across the world. Italy making it compulsory for over 50’s to be vaccinated or otherwise be find. What next…imprisonment or worse?

Cancellation of people who speak out against so called “woke” principles, Black Lives Matter, Climate Change Nutters, Extinction Rebellion or any other looney left groups you want to include. It’s all the same message, conform or be alienated.  If you stand up and be counted you are labelled as an Anti Vaxxer, Right wing thug or on here a conspiracy theorist or worse a disseminator of lies. None of which I class myself as. I am a reasonable bloke who sees what is right and wrong and make my own judgement and what I am seeing is an attempted destruction of our democracy and liberties.

Probably going to get more abuse because of this post, which is fine but I would ask you all…….why don’t you wake up and see what is going on?

This has never been about a virus from day one, it’s about control and taking away your liberty. Something that our forefathers fought for in years gone by and this country is rolling over and letting it all wash over them.

we should be ashamed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You will not get abuse from me. You hit the nail on the head from day one.  Keep it up.

50 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Headline - 

Spy storm MP Barry Gardiner denies being made a ‘useful idiot’ by China, stating it must be false as I'm not useful!

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/barry-gardiner-christine-lee-chinese-government-spy/

 

Disclaimer - I may have added to the headline.

He was idiotic enough to eccept about half a million from them. He should be locked up as a traitor.

[Agriv8]

9 hours ago, Humblepie said:

I am going to get abuse for this post but going to post it anyway. I like the PW site because of the talk from the field, off topic, great advice (at times) and general banter from the members. However, this has to be said.

When I first mentioned Susan Michie on this site, Director of the centre for Behavioural Change and a leading light in SAGE that has driven the government thinking on covid, lockdowns, face masks, stop socialising, 2 metre rule, and total fear tactics, etc and also a fully paid up member of the communist party, I was ridiculed as a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theory looney. I was given dogs abuse on here, to the point of being told my licence should be revoked.

Today we find that the CCP have infiltrated HM Government and have done so for the past 6 years, and no doubt across the world. Italy making it compulsory for over 50’s to be vaccinated or otherwise be find. What next…imprisonment or worse?

Cancellation of people who speak out against so called “woke” principles, Black Lives Matter, Climate Change Nutters, Extinction Rebellion or any other looney left groups you want to include. It’s all the same message, conform or be alienated.  If you stand up and be counted you are labelled as an Anti Vaxxer, Right wing thug or on here a conspiracy theorist or worse a disseminator of lies. None of which I class myself as. I am a reasonable bloke who sees what is right and wrong and make my own judgement and what I am seeing is an attempted destruction of our democracy and liberties.

Probably going to get more abuse because of this post, which is fine but I would ask you all…….why don’t you wake up and see what is going on?

This has never been about a virus from day one, it’s about control and taking away your liberty. Something that our forefathers fought for in years gone by and this country is rolling over and letting it all wash over them.

we should be ashamed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Humblepie we live in a democracy PW has like the rest of society vocal sections. Most of us sit on the fence most of the time.

Governments like to push us about most of the covid response had been led by scare mongering get jabbed or die. Having heard first hand hospital’s decision on who will get treatment in intensive wards and who will not and likley pass  away they have to do something!
 

Me I am jabbed as the thought of passing this on to aged parents led me down this route. Travelling abroad also a consideration. Wife teacher and kids at school have brought this home twice !

Unfortunately democracy  and liberty only usually questioned when we disagree with the gov pushing us about but like taking our taxes they will get it one way or the other ( unless you are Amazon Google etc etc )

Agriv8 

 

[Rewulf]

3 hours ago, Walker570 said:

You will not get abuse from me. You hit the nail on the head from day one.  Keep it up.

+1 From me too.

@Humblepie Dont get offended by others opinion, or abuse, if you step off the rat run and speak your mind, especially when its not the 'hive' mind, expect some abuse.
But have the courage of your convictions, back them up with facts, and you will be rewarded with utter silence from your detractors.
They will never admit they were wrong, so dont expect that.

Sometimes however, it can pay to remain silent yourself, and await the right moment, as the burden of proof will always be upon you to convince others of what you say.

Keep it coherent, and light hearted, no one likes to be preached to.
You arent alone out there.

[Dave-G]

10 hours ago, Humblepie said:

I am going to get abuse for this post but going to post it anyway. I like the PW site because of the talk from the field, off topic, great advice (at times) and general banter from the members. However, this has to be said.

When I first mentioned Susan Michie on this site, Director of the centre for Behavioural Change and a leading light in SAGE that has driven the government thinking on covid, lockdowns, face masks, stop socialising, 2 metre rule, and total fear tactics, etc and also a fully paid up member of the communist party, I was ridiculed as a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theory looney. I was given dogs abuse on here, to the point of being told my licence should be revoked.

Today we find that the CCP have infiltrated HM Government and have done so for the past 6 years, and no doubt across the world. Italy making it compulsory for over 50’s to be vaccinated or otherwise be find. What next…imprisonment or worse?

Cancellation of people who speak out against so called “woke” principles, Black Lives Matter, Climate Change Nutters, Extinction Rebellion or any other looney left groups you want to include. It’s all the same message, conform or be alienated.  If you stand up and be counted you are labelled as an Anti Vaxxer, Right wing thug or on here a conspiracy theorist or worse a disseminator of lies. None of which I class myself as. I am a reasonable bloke who sees what is right and wrong and make my own judgement and what I am seeing is an attempted destruction of our democracy and liberties.

Probably going to get more abuse because of this post, which is fine but I would ask you all…….why don’t you wake up and see what is going on?

This has never been about a virus from day one, it’s about control and taking away your liberty. Something that our forefathers fought for in years gone by and this country is rolling over and letting it all wash over them.

we should be ashamed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A lot of that say's much of what I think in a better way than I could wordcraft. The forum like most others has people of all sorts of persuasions and/or political beliefs, some like to try and manipulate or condemn those who think differently from themselves.. 

 

[Gordon R]

Quote

why don’t you wake up and see what is going on?

I disagree with you, but you are entitled to your own opinion. Why do you think that you have uncovered a conspiracy and most people don't share your view?

I just don't see any facts to support what you say.

[Yellow Bear]

Back to the original post  -  It seems to have gone very quiet on this front, particularly from the BBC  Methinks there may be others of his comrades about to be outed.

If a "donation" of this size had been made by a foreign national to a tory MP it would have been banner headlines, as it is you have to dig for facts.

[ditchman]

why oh why did MI5 out the chinese spy........when she was pumping Barry Gardiner..........the quality of the info must have been utter carp..........proberly mixed in with a few musings from Diane Abbot...........we couldhave really screwed the chinese up with that lot

[Scully]

11 hours ago, Humblepie said:

I am going to get abuse for this post but going to post it anyway. I like the PW site because of the talk from the field, off topic, great advice (at times) and general banter from the members. However, this has to be said.

When I first mentioned Susan Michie on this site, Director of the centre for Behavioural Change and a leading light in SAGE that has driven the government thinking on covid, lockdowns, face masks, stop socialising, 2 metre rule, and total fear tactics, etc and also a fully paid up member of the communist party, I was ridiculed as a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theory looney. I was given dogs abuse on here, to the point of being told my licence should be revoked.

Today we find that the CCP have infiltrated HM Government and have done so for the past 6 years, and no doubt across the world. Italy making it compulsory for over 50’s to be vaccinated or otherwise be find. What next…imprisonment or worse?

Cancellation of people who speak out against so called “woke” principles, Black Lives Matter, Climate Change Nutters, Extinction Rebellion or any other looney left groups you want to include. It’s all the same message, conform or be alienated.  If you stand up and be counted you are labelled as an Anti Vaxxer, Right wing thug or on here a conspiracy theorist or worse a disseminator of lies. None of which I class myself as. I am a reasonable bloke who sees what is right and wrong and make my own judgement and what I am seeing is an attempted destruction of our democracy and liberties.

Probably going to get more abuse because of this post, which is fine but I would ask you all…….why don’t you wake up and see what is going on?

This has never been about a virus from day one, it’s about control and taking away your liberty. Something that our forefathers fought for in years gone by and this country is rolling over and letting it all wash over them.

we should be ashamed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But it IS about the virus. Why would any government once it has taken control over ones freedoms or liberties, then proceed to relinquish that control? This government could have taken away our liberty or choice to go out and enjoy ourselves over the new year period, but didn’t, unlike the Welsh and Scottish governments.
So why, if it’s about controlling us, didn’t the government take the opportunity to do so? 
 

[Gordon R]

Quote

So why, if it’s about controlling us, didn’t the government take the opportunity to do so?

Scully - why spoil it by bringing logic into the argument?😅

[Scully]

6 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

Scully - why spoil it by bringing logic into the argument?😅

Indeed. It just seems an illogical thing to claim given that we were in a quite severe lockdown but now aren’t! 🤷‍♂️
 

[enfieldspares]

5 hours ago, matone said:

Dave nailed it with Partygate deflection timing.

This. 100%.

[Rewulf]

24 minutes ago, Scully said:

But it IS about the virus. Why would any government once it has taken control over ones freedoms or liberties, then proceed to relinquish that control? This government could have taken away our liberty or choice to go out and enjoy ourselves over the new year period, but didn’t, unlike the Welsh and Scottish governments.
So why, if it’s about controlling us, didn’t the government take the opportunity to do so? 

Its a good question , and I was convinced via various reports from government employed contractors , that a Xmas lockdown was on the cards, teachers had been issued teach at home packs, and indeed , the devolved countries , as usual , scampering to appear more responsible than Westminster, and ever ready to do something , anything to make the tories look bad, couldnt wait for their mini lockdowns.

However , as Boris bided his time to see if omicron really was milder, and with him taking flak over the parties, I believe he did a last minute swerve, but only because the think tanks on his payroll told him , 'If you lockdown, people are just going to ignore it, due to pandemic weariness , and partly to do with the perceived hypocrisy of the government'

In essence, a government that orders its populace to do something , and getting a flat refusal, doesnt gain control, its actually lost it.

[discobob]

59 minutes ago, ditchman said:

why oh why did MI5 out the chinese spy........when she was pumping Barry Gardiner..........the quality of the info must have been utter carp..........proberly mixed in with a few musings from Diane Abbot...........we couldhave really screwed the chinese up with that lot

in the early part of this century it was revealed that France had funded and placed people into UK businesses (especially telecoms) for industrial espionage.

The joke doing the rounds was that it was a shame they hadn't put one into Cable & Wireless as we could have bankrupted the French Economy 

[old man]

13 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, I would not put anything past the the Chinese government , did it not happen in the USA ?

All countries do it, whether they admit or not? Always best to have a red herring or two up the sleeve to divert away from the real news?

 

9 minutes ago, discobob said:

in the early part of this century it was revealed that France had funded and placed people into UK businesses (especially telecoms) for industrial espionage.

The joke doing the rounds was that it was a shame they hadn't put one into Cable & Wireless as we could have bankrupted the French Economy 

The really sad thing is they need not have bothered as we gave control of all our utilities away to them anyway?

Edited January 14, 2022 by old man

[Scully]

25 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Its a good question , and I was convinced via various reports from government employed contractors , that a Xmas lockdown was on the cards, teachers had been issued teach at home packs, and indeed , the devolved countries , as usual , scampering to appear more responsible than Westminster, and ever ready to do something , anything to make the tories look bad, couldnt wait for their mini lockdowns.

However , as Boris bided his time to see if omicron really was milder, and with him taking flak over the parties, I believe he did a last minute swerve, but only because the think tanks on his payroll told him , 'If you lockdown, people are just going to ignore it, due to pandemic weariness , and partly to do with the perceived hypocrisy of the government'

In essence, a government that orders its populace to do something , and getting a flat refusal, doesnt gain control, its actually lost it.

But we don’t know that the populace would have refused; I know plenty who stayed in over the New year through choice for various reasons. I know there would have been a degree of discreet ( or not so discreet! ) non compliance, but that’s been the case throughout.
 I’m under no illusions that the number one priority has been the NHS, and not individual lives, but in the case of a national emergency it has to be so, for the greater good, but for someone to claim it has all been about controlling the populace and restricting the liberty  hard fought for by ancestors is simply ridiculous, given that those restrictions have now mostly lapsed, and will entirely given time. The statement simply doesn’t correspond with what is happening. 
Personally, ( and I have no proof for this, it’s just my opinion ) I think England didn’t lock down as medical advisors simply told him that all indications pointed to Omicron being just another cold, and whilst it would hit hardest those who a severe cold would, the death count was unlikely to be at the same level already experienced. Hence the change to a five day isolation period for essential workers? Who knows? 🤷‍♂️
A high dependency specialist at the James Cook Hospital in Middlesborough, last week told my OH’s mother ( awaiting open heart surgery at the time ) that things weren’t as bad as the media were portraying. He said they weren’t good, but that it had been much worse, and that they would cope. 

[discobob]

53 minutes ago, old man said:

The really sad thing is they need not have bothered as we gave control of all our utilities away to them anyway?

True - The country doesn't have any crown jewels anymore, nor any Gold!