ditchman Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 STOP PRESS..........the word on the wire ....is that whilst Nigel Farage is in the jungle.....his daily show on GB News will be hosted by Suella Braverman.............. wooooowwwww.............politics has started to get interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 8 hours ago, mellors said: And it looks like Cameron is coming back. Yup....to refill his pockets. I seem to remember that he was embroiled in some deal with an Australian outfit (green energy?) that went belly up to the tune of x..........x.....£ .....which I seem to recall was a figure put in UK A/c ledger in red ink. Correct me if I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Anyone going into politics and thinks they can be speak openly and honestly are in the wrong job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 8 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: Yes, she did and unfortunately, she didn't. I think she tried hard, but didn't make much progress. Rwanda - not yet decided, but looking like the Home Office will lose in court Accommodation barge - done (very late) then almost immediately emptied for several weeks as found unsafe (contaminated water). VERY few actually in there. Migration/asylum waiting list - HUGE and not really reducing Yes, she stood up and made the right noises - but wasn't able to carry that through to action. Maybe not her fault ....... but that's how it is seen. If the Government tries to take action on migration and ends up getting tied up and losing in their own court system then they are essentially powerless to enforce border control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: If the Government tries to take action on migration and ends up getting tied up and losing in their own court system then they are essentially powerless to enforce border control. Then they change the laws to suit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: If the Government tries to take action on migration and ends up getting tied up and losing in their own court system then they are essentially powerless to enforce border control. I believe it is this week we find out the court's verdict. Press suggests not looking good for Gov't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Pretty fair bet that Dave will be back in the top job before the next election . Rishi only got the job after mad Liz nearly bankrupt the country as he was the least worst option . Watch your back Rishi boy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Just now, Jega said: Pretty fair bet that Dave will be back in the top job before the next election . Rishi only got the job after mad Liz nearly bankrupt the country as he was the least worst option . Watch your back Rishi boy . He can't now he's been made a Lord - well - at least not unless he cancels his peerage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jega said: Pretty fair bet that Dave will be back in the top job before the next election . Rishi only got the job after mad Liz nearly bankrupt the country as he was the least worst option . Watch your back Rishi boy . Can't believe that he will or even wants to, but he looked very comfortable and at ease, while stepping over the number 10 threshold this morning 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, JKD said: Can't believe that he will or even wants to, but he looked very comfortable and at ease, while stepping over the number 10 threshold this morning 😆 He's back on the gravy train, so happy as a pig in **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, JKD said: Can't believe that he will or even wants to, but he looked very comfortable and at ease, while stepping over the number 10 threshold this morning 😆 Tories need to loose the right wing faction, same as Labour need to loose the left wing. The future is in the centre ground and unfortunately the edges of politics make the most noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Be interesting to know who is actually calling the shots in this country and I don’t mean whoever is the current Prime minister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, countryman said: Be interesting to know who is actually calling the shots in this country and I don’t mean whoever is the current Prime minister. Unelected Senior civil servants no matter who is in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, countryman said: Be interesting to know who is actually calling the shots in this country and I don’t mean whoever is the current Prime minister. Did you ever watch 'Yes Minister' ? Pretty much the same in real life 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 31 minutes ago, oowee said: Tories need to loose the right wing faction, same as Labour need to loose the left wing. The future is in the centre ground and unfortunately the edges of politics make the most noise. Labour need to lose Luke Pollard. Unfortunately, it’s looking like he’s gaining more ground in the party by the day. A grim future for shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXHUNTER1 Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 31 minutes ago, oowee said: Tories need to loose the right wing faction, Disagree we need more that's why we are in such a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 This is a screenshot of a video showing everyone stood quietly and respectfully during the last Post, I've seen other videos of other nationalities pelting police vans, certainly not what you expect to see on Remembrance weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: If the Government tries to take action on migration and ends up getting tied up and losing in their own court system then they are essentially powerless to enforce border control. Change the law, the Government makes the law, the courts only interpret it The fly in the ointment is the European Court of Human Rights which literally exists in its own bubble and make it up as they go along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 Suella Braverman is off to the jungle and will be eating Nigel's testicles in the bushtucker trials.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 hours ago, ditchman said: Suella Braverman is off to the jungle and will be eating Nigel's testicles in the bushtucker trials.... She tried to eat Rishi's, but found that they had shrunk to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 hours ago, amateur said: She tried to eat Rishi's, but found that they had shrunk to nothing. Ha ha classic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 15 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: I think the problem here is that most people to want to be MPs (i.e. put themselves forward as candidates) are just the wrong sort of people for the job. Bullying, preening, narcissistic, greedy, pushy, deceitful, devious, untruthful are words that could be applied to many MPs. Most 'decent people' don't want 'the limelight', 'power over others', and whatever else drives people to be MPs. If people are good at what the do (and I mean very good, the top maybe 1% or less) they will make big money in business, industry, commerce, or the professions. Some MPs have - often in the law (Starmer, Geoffrey Cox, 85 in total apparently) or the city (Sunak, Andrew Mitchell, John Redwood, Rees Mogg and no doubt several others). In fact MPs get a good salary for a fairly cushy number - with fantastic expenses, pensions and perks, but it isn't the BIG money people at the top of business get. Only a few get that from theiir political career from things. like after dinner speaking engagements, book deals etc. There is old saying (a quote from George Bernard Shaw I believe) which goes "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach" - one might now add "and those that can't teach might try to become an MP" hello, here is another one getting on the Tory gravy train, James Cracknell 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 10 hours ago, Vince Green said: Change the law, the Government makes the law, the courts only interpret it The fly in the ointment is the European Court of Human Rights which literally exists in its own bubble and make it up as they go along. We adopted the Human Rights Act 1998, therefore that is our own law adopting those principals. We can’t then make a new law, that breaks the Human Rights Act law that we ourselves put in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 15 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: I think the problem here is that most people to want to be MPs (i.e. put themselves forward as candidates) are just the wrong sort of people for the job. Bullying, preening, narcissistic, greedy, pushy, deceitful, devious, untruthful are words that could be applied to many MPs. Most 'decent people' don't want 'the limelight', 'power over others', and whatever else drives people to be MPs. If people are good at what the do (and I mean very good, the top maybe 1% or less) they will make big money in business, industry, commerce, or the professions. Some MPs have - often in the law (Starmer, Geoffrey Cox, 85 in total apparently) or the city (Sunak, Andrew Mitchell, John Redwood, Rees Mogg and no doubt several others). In fact MPs get a good salary for a fairly cushy number - with fantastic expenses, pensions and perks, but it isn't the BIG money people at the top of business get. Only a few get that from theiir political career from things. like after dinner speaking engagements, book deals etc. There is old saying (a quote from George Bernard Shaw I believe) which goes "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach" - one might now add "and those that can't teach might try to become an MP" You don’t have to be anywhere near the top 1% to earn more than an MP. There waves would put them firmly in the top 10% of earners, but far from the top 1% who earn around £180k+ a year. Current MP salary £86,584. It sounds great to someone on minimum or average earnings, but when you consider 1 in 10 people are earning around that and that’s taking into account the non working class at the other end of the scale there’s plenty of professionals on similar or better money. Lots of people self employed and consulting in as agency can make well above that. A nurse / social worker / OT working as a locum through an agency can make close to that working 37 hours a week (granted you lose benefits, sickness etc). People consulting in IT or other fields should be well over (hence why they were so frustrated with IR35 and having to pay taxes). I bet you an MP would be working more than 37 hours a week, under constant media / public scrutiny and the job holds a lot more responsibility. I guess that’s why we see people in the job who appear to either be complete idiots, or who are independently wealthy and are there for other reasons (good and bad). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 14, 2023 Report Share Posted November 14, 2023 15 hours ago, ditchman said: The current crop of ministers remind me of the film "The time Bandits".....total and utter chaos... Damn good film, that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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