Keir's smashing the gangs

[yickdaz]

Been another stabbing in London today 11 year old girl and a 34 year old woman could be her mum   no details of the attacker as yet but been arrested that's all I know about it 

[Penelope]

24 minutes ago, yickdaz said:

Been another stabbing in London today 11 year old girl and a 34 year old woman could be her mum   no details of the attacker as yet but been arrested that's all I know about it 

In Leicester Square.

[ShootingEgg]

47 minutes ago, yickdaz said:

Been another stabbing in London today 11 year old girl and a 34 year old woman could be her mum   no details of the attacker as yet but been arrested that's all I know about it 

Staff member of coffee shop jumped the attacker kicking the knife away. But no other details on the news

[Flashman]

Leicester Sq. is properly vile. I’d hold off on rushing to judgement here, as there’s lots of beggar family gangs, pickpockets and general vermin out and about.  
Like pigeons, they fly in for the summer to feed on the tourists. 
God, London’s grim now. If anything, it’s worse since lock down. 

Edited August 12 by Flashman

[oldypigeonpopper]

45 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:

Staff member of coffee shop jumped the attacker kicking the knife away. But no other details on the news

Hello, Sounds a very brave thing to do👍

[Mice!]

6 minutes ago, Flashman said:

Leicester Sq. is properly vile. I’d hold off on rushing to judgement here, as there’s lots of beggar family gangs, pickpockets and general vermin out and about.  
Like pigeons, they fly in for the summer to feed on the tourists. 
God, London’s grim now. If anything, it’s worse since lock down. 

Went through last Friday, We were there all day with no issues,  only saw a few beggars,  probably keeping away in case there was trouble?

[ditchman]

13 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Went through last Friday, We were there all day with no issues,  only saw a few beggars,  probably keeping away in case there was trouble?

Begging is a very lucrative industry...and is protected at all costs............it could be wiped out very quickly if some soul wandered about with some Novichok spray............

that would sort em out

[shaun4860]

7 hours ago, ditchman said:

Begging is a very lucrative industry...and is protected at all costs............it could be wiped out very quickly if some soul wandered about with some Novichok spray............

that would sort em out

To be fair a can of strong deodorant would have the same effect 

[enfieldspares]

13 hours ago, Stonepark said:

Stammer has no interest in stopping the boats or decreasing "legal" migration.

Where to? How? Planes have to have permission to enter a third party nation's airspace and to land in its territory. They will likely refuse to allow this if there is an attempt to do so with undocumented passengers. Reform can promise whatever it likes knowing that it will never have to deliver what it promises. Yes these undocumented arrivals are an issue and they are an issue because the Tory Party was not prepared to spend the money to employ the staff to process their claims and to then refuse admission and put into secure units those that fail in that claim.

Edited August 12 by enfieldspares

[ditchman]

33 minutes ago, shaun4860 said:

To be fair a can of strong deodorant would have the same effect 

that is true......but they are trained to smell like that....it produces more money for the controller/s

there was a so called beggar in norwich several/many years ago ...with a dog with a red polka dot handkerchief around its neck....begging for many weeks on thecity streets................and people fell for it....until the EDP followed him atthe end of a day shift to his car parked behind the orchard pub....a new Mazda MX5....and lived in a VERY nice bungalow in Old Catton................

Edited August 12 by ditchman

[12gauge82]

7 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

Where to? How? Planes have to have permission to enter a third party nation's airspace and to land in its territory. They will likely refuse to allow this if there is an attempt to do so with undocumented passengers. Reform can promise whatever it likes knowing that it will never have to deliver what it promises. Yes these undocumented arrivals are an issue and they are an issue because the Tory Party was not prepared to spend the money to employ the staff to process their claims and to then refuse admission and put into secure units those that fail in that claim.

Let's be honest the ones that are here are going to be our problem, God forbid we have a Hitler type come to power. What we can do is deport anyone new arriving straight back to France. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

The good old Eastern Daily Press.   

[Vince Green]

They are laughing at us for being so stupid.

Rwanda would have worked but Labour and the lawyers did absolutely everything they could to scupper it

[Jaymo]

1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

The good old Eastern Daily Press.   

Many a weekend spent perusing the motors classified section and dreaming. 

[Gordon R]

Ioan Pintaru - no fixed abode - has been charged with attempted murder and possession of the bladed article.

[Vince Green]

17 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

But you only know what they believe in (this time around) from what they say;

For example, Labour as a party 'believed in' a variety of things under Corbyn which Starmer clearly doesn't believe in.  E.g.

• Corbyn was a leaver - Starmer was a Remainer - and actually I don't think knows where he stands at all now?
• Corbyn was pro Palestinians, anti Israel (and very possibly anti Semitic as well) - Starmer is (moderately anyway) pro Israel
• Corybn was a nuclear disarmer, Starmer is not
• Corbyn was notably Putin 'sympathetic'.  Starmer is not.

and a whole load of other things.  But that was THEN - and we are in NOW with Starmer in Downing Street.  Remember Starmer supported Corbyn and was a loyal member of  his front bench team and shadow cabinet - but has since done a U turn on a great many issues and expelled his predecessor from the whipped party (Corbyn now sits as an independent). 

There is no truth or loyalty in politics.

 

Stamer was very quick to revert to type in a Soviet style clamp down on protest and 'free speech' by threatening anybody with ten years in jail.

I don't condone violence or attacks on the police in any way but Starmer has gone beyond dealing with people who feel they have a genuine complaint about the way things are going.

Stifling protest does nothing except create a pressure cooker. It doesn't make the problem go away.

[JohnfromUK]

33 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Starmer was very quick to revert to type in a Soviet style clamp down

The problem (as I see it anyway) is the 'two tier' aspect.

• BLM, Just Stop Oil, Anti Capitalist, Extinction Rebellion, pro Hamas etc., kid gloves, slap on wrist, let them have their moment, almost no jail sentences, many let off altogether.
• Recent demonstrations over violent crime, immigration, etc.  Instant trials conjured up from nowhere (a trick he presumably learned in the CPS), jail sentences, threats etc.

Protest is fine, BUT;

1. It should not disrupt the public (other than pre agreed road closures for marches) to a serious degree (i.e. not prevent their normal daily business)
2. It should not damage, destroy or steal property, buildings, statues, museum exhibits, shops, offices - both publicly owned and privately owned
3. It should not include violence (whether against police, emergency service workers, shop staff, or the public in general)

Where the above occur, it is right that all offenders (whatever they are protesting about) are treated firmly, fully and fairly - and above all equally.  As I have said before - many of us on this forum attended the 'hunt marches' in Blair's time - and remember a great day out, meeting people and a friendly atmosphere both with others and the police doing their duty.  Demonstrations can be done correctly.  However, the image of a British (now) Prime Minister and the official football teams representing their country going down on one knee was to me really sickening (and I'm not jealous just because I might not be able to get back up again! 🤣).

Edited August 13 by JohnfromUK

[TIGHTCHOKE]

TWO TIER Kier reigns supreme, at the moment.   

[dead eye alan]

16 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

TWO TIER Kier reigns supreme, at the moment.   

God knows were this bloke will take us, but I fear its not a good place!

[old man]

9 hours ago, ditchman said:

that is true......but they are trained to smell like that....it produces more money for the controller/s

there was a so called beggar in norwich several/many years ago ...with a dog with a red polka dot handkerchief around its neck....begging for many weeks on thecity streets................and people fell for it....until the EDP followed him atthe end of a day shift to his car parked behind the orchard pub....a new Mazda MX5....and lived in a VERY nice bungalow in Old Catton................

Enough guile to be an MP in the making then, but refused on pay grounds?

[Raja Clavata]

21 hours ago, Mice! said:

And that's the problem, I still want to see gun boats sinking them, I can't imagine they'd be so keen to keep coming after watching a few boat loads of young men flounder back onto the French shore.

Funny how they never have anything saying where their from either, no ID, ship them straight back to France. 

Why gun boats?

[johnphilip]

I posted something on here a few months ago , see if I can remember  how it went

This French. Charity  aid worker France.  Was. On  I think GB  News . He was asked. Should these people be returned. To France. His. Reply  strange as it seems. Was " yes "  and he gives his reason  why.  First these  people come to France to get to the UK. Via the channel.  Ok so if they are returned to France. . It is hoped. They who are hopping  to come to France. Find out they can not get across  from france to get to the UK. Hopefully. They may decided not to come to France. Knowing there is no route. They won't get looked after much in. France. So not. Want to stay there. 

Ok so they move to the next. Country  to try and. Get to the UK. .we then do the same here in the UK.  Send them back to were they left. From and that is basically  every European  country working together . Its. Worth a try  as nothing is happening at the moment.

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

They are laughing at us for being so stupid.

Rwanda would have worked but Labour and the lawyers did absolutely everything they could to scupper it

Rwanda would never have worked, can you imagine the cost of sending them and the time frames involved, not to mention the ECHR would have ruled it unlawful, just look at how the Tories attempted to block Brexit even after a referendum, they'd never have left the HRA. The answer is simple, we need reform in and we need to drop anyone arriving straight back to France. 

43 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

The problem (as I see it anyway) is the 'two tier' aspect.

• BLM, Just Stop Oil, Anti Capitalist, Extinction Rebellion, pro Hamas etc., kid gloves, slap on wrist, let them have their moment, almost no jail sentences, many let off altogether.
• Recent demonstrations over violent crime, immigration, etc.  Instant trials conjured up from nowhere (a trick he presumably learned in the CPS), jail sentences, threats etc.

Protest is fine, BUT;

1. It should not disrupt the public (other than pre agreed road closures for marches) to a serious degree (i.e. not prevent their normal daily business)
2. It should not damage, destroy or steal property, buildings, statues, museum exhibits, shops, offices - both publicly owned and privately owned
3. It should not include violence (whether against police, emergency service workers, shop staff, or the public in general)

Where the above occur, it is right that all offenders (whatever they are protesting about) are treated firmly, fully and fairly - and above all equally.  As I have said before - many of us on this forum attended the 'hunt marches' in Blair's time - and remember a great day out, meeting people and a friendly atmosphere both with others and the police doing their duty.  Demonstrations can be done correctly.  However, the image of a British (now) Prime Minister and the official football teams representing their country going down on one knee was to me really sickening (and I'm not jealous just because I might not be able to get back up again! 🤣).

Very sensible view point and reasonable, logical solutions John. 

Our country has lost its way, common sense has gone out the window and our governments backbone has left the building. 

A lot of this countrys problems aren't difficult to solve, we just lack a political party that will take the necessary action. 

[yickdaz]

2 hours ago, dead eye alan said:

God knows were this bloke will take us, but I fear its not a good place!

Yep I'm Actually worried with what he has planned it feels like he's put us all on board a ride  that only goes down  and we can't get off it

3 hours ago, Gordon R said:

Ioan Pintaru - no fixed abode - has been charged with attempted murder and possession of the bladed article.

Foreign sounding name no fixed address  I can't think where he's come from or how can you ?

[JohnfromUK]

15 minutes ago, yickdaz said:

Yep I'm Actually worried with what he has planned it feels like he's put us all on board a ride  that only goes down  and we can't get off it

For those of us old enough to remember, that's what life is like under Labour.