kody Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Had the beaters shoot yesterday and one of the beaters sons turns up with a bloody semi auto would any of you allow it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Yes Although it may not conform to the 'traditional' point of view to me as long as he is gaining an unfair advantage by loading an 'extra' then I can't see why not. After all what's his reason? Young lad has saved up and purchased it himself and is his only gun.... What's to say he doesn't have a 'health' problem/handicap which means he can only use a semi--- it might be that he has the latter but doesn't/hasn't broadcast it in the past. Times have changed- if we wish to encourage young blood into our sport then compromises need to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Unfortunately not on our shoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang bang birdy Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) I used my semi auto on beaters day I only ever shot of two cartridges at a time. I did lend my silver pigeon to the gamekeeper daughter so she could shoot. Everybody was happy Edited January 22, 2017 by bang bang birdy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Yes, done it myself when I loaned another beater my OU as he had managed to forget his in the morning due to excitement. If you want unsporting, look at how fair double gunning is (continuous fire with a loader) or if you want unsafe, look how many point their closed side by side at your legs as they carry it around the shoot to keep the rain out or too lazy to break open. Neither argument stacks up, but it does allow those of modest means to shoot everything with one gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 I suppose the shoot can set its own rules. Young lad on a beaters day might allow a certain amount of flexibility. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 I'd allow it. If any sillyness like loading 3 shells and going ten to the dozen on a single bird, the honourable gentlemen would be asked to calm down. Apart from that, not a sausage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilts#Dave Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Don't see the big deal, especially only on a beaters day and I presume a younger lad? If it's a driven day stood on a peg it's no more unsafe than an over and under and with two shells at a time no less unsporting. I wouldn't use mine personally as I don't feel it's inkeeping with the tradition of game shooting/wearing the right clothing etc but as a one off what's the harm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollieollie Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 I have no experience on the matter but i always imagined beaters days as a more relaxed affair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 I'd see it at acceptable on a beaters day but wouldn't like to see it on a formal day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 The idea is to instil respect, values and standards into newcomers to the shooting field, not erode and devalue them! If the lad (how old was he?) wanted to shoot game his father should have ensured he had the appropriate kit! However, they chose to bring a general purpose, pigeon, wildfowling, vermin and rough shooting gun to a game shoot!......if I was the shoot captain I'm afraid he would not have been allowed to shoot! Same applies if someone wanted to shoot game wearing a hoodie, tee shirt and denims, it's not the place for them! If there is a disability issue then of course standards can be relaxed on a case by case basis. Gum shield in place and tin hat deployed!...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 I'd see it at acceptable on a beaters day but wouldn't like to see it on a formal day.+1If the young lad has put in the time and effort to put birds over the guns throughout the season, then he deserves to be able to shoot as a reward for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 +1 If the young lad has put in the time and effort to put birds over the guns throughout the season, then he deserves to be able to shoot as a reward for that. Defiantly 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 I'd see it at acceptable on a beaters day but wouldn't like to see it on a formal day. A beaters day is still a formal day It's just for the beaters A token of our appreciation for the work put in through out the year As a gun along with my other syndicate members I would take a dim view of anyone turning up with a semi auto It is a day when the table turns we beat they all shoot To the same rules and standards Personally would have lent him my gun or if given notice taken him t local gun shop and got him a SS plenty of them for £40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 A beaters day is still a formal day It's just for the beaters A token of our appreciation for the work put in through out the year As a gun along with my other syndicate members I would take a dim view of anyone turning up with a semi auto It is a day when the table turns we beat they all shoot To the same rules and standards Personally would have lent him my gun or if given notice taken him t local gun shop and got him a SS plenty of them for £40 I know it's still a formal day but I wouldn't go sending the lad home for it, I'd lend him a gun but if another gun wasn't available I'd let him crack on (persanaly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) So the shoot captain didn't bother laying out the ground rules prior to beaters day.Maybe he should of been sent home lol.God I hate pheasant shoots,this respect for the bird thing is just silly because 'one simply isn't wearing the correct attire ' The Lycra clad loons of the shooting world Edited January 23, 2017 by Davyo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose man Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 The idea is to instil respect, values and standards into newcomers to the shooting field, not erode and devalue them! If the lad (how old was he?) wanted to shoot game his father should have ensured he had the appropriate kit! However, they chose to bring a general purpose, pigeon, wildfowling, vermin and rough shooting gun to a game shoot!......if I was the shoot captain I'm afraid he would not have been allowed to shoot! Same applies if someone wanted to shoot game wearing a hoodie, tee shirt and denims, it's not the place for them! If there is a disability issue then of course standards can be relaxed on a case by case basis. Gum shield in place and tin hat deployed!...... It may well be and probably was his only gun , if his father was like mine who never shot or had any interest in shooting what then , not every one was lucky enough to be brought up in a shooting family ..So here's a young lad who's worked hard all season turning up beating in all weathers to provide your sport and you send him home because he can't afford the full kit on a one off reward day ..Sounds the way to loose a good beater , two lads used semi's on our beaters day , only loaded two at a time and had a great day , one of them a big vermin shooter shot some birds that left regular guns shaking there heads in disbelief..relaxing the rules slightly for a beaters day is about keeping and rewarding the very people that help week in week out .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I once went on a beaters day at a very prestigious shoot in North Wales (25,000 birds released in the season). The gamekeeper used a fac rated Benelli semi-auto, with a full load in the magazine. Was also using 36g No 5's...... He was hooting with laughter when shooting birds 20 yards up with this. He was in the beaters cart, and stood the gun up in the corner of the cart to get off and open a gate for the tractor driver. One of the young beaters present leaned towards his gun; said 'What's this button for?", and pressed the magazine release button, whereupon a round chambered. All of us in the cart froze in shock and disbelief. You never can be too careful about your own and other peoples safety. Always assume the worst. The lad may have been completely safe with a semi, but it all depends on his age, maturity and experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Personally I can see no problem whatsoever. Although asked not to, we still have guns using plastic wads and cannon shells, blowing birds to smithereens at short range with their extended choke O/Us. Should we therefore dictate side by sides only. I have actually used my Remington 1100 16 gauge on a driven day. There was not a single comment. The gun came out of the sleeve at my peg and went back in the sleeve at the drives end. I had no reason to load three shells, although I see no problem with that because how often do we see loaders feeding cartridges on driven days. Do we ban loaders and double guns as well. Hope the chap had a great day. on edit .... age doesn't have a lot to do with safety believe me, and some people never seem to 'mature' OR learn. Edited January 23, 2017 by Walker570 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) This respect the bird **** really gets on my tits,it's not ok to wear jeans but it's acceptable not to take home the birds you've shot! Yeh 'respect' Wonder what the poor gamekeepers think of all there hard work being left. Edited January 23, 2017 by Davyo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 It's this kind of pointless snobbery that will stop new blood coming into the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 he should have brought his self loader - problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exudate Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Not this 'semi-autos and game shoots' thing again, please! Oh Lordy, have mercy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Ive been down threads like this before and i wouldn't/don't allow a SA on a driven or rough day, i would happily of loaned the young lad 1 of my SxS's and have done that before.. I do have safety issues with semi's, not so bad in the standing gun line, but more so for walked up crossing obsticles and walking throu restock sites which can be murder, the simple fact there is more temption to cross an obsticle without making the gun safe and also/mainly its hard for anyone ese to see if the gun is safe. I see far far too many SA's passed over gates, obsitcles etc with the bolts closed, no one knows if there is 1 up the spout or not, or the other favourite is carrying it lying over there shoulder like how u'd carry a tool/fence post, gun pointing horizontal at head/shoulder hieght usually bolts closed, seen that at hounds a lot. Thats unsafe handling from the owner not the gun itself but they'd never handle a break barrel in the same way. I've seen keepers use the 8 shots on driven days, even seen a gun use 1 on a driven day of grouse once as someone forgot to pick his gun up. Quite often i see more dodgy/dangerous shooting on keepers days than any other days, nowadays i often decline the offer, too many despardo's out there who will shoot birds at any hieght As for money/all he can afford most gun shops will have a oom throu the back full of SxS's not worth utting on the shelfs for a few keepers days a year u cold easy pick up a gun for 50-100 quid, my 'good' sxs's weren't much more than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 For beaters day then yes, any other day then no. Have to understand that some people only shoot pheasants one day a year. The rest of the time they shoot pigeon or wildfowl and can not afford a traditional style shotgun to sit in the cabinet for the rest of the year. If only two are loaded and the person next to them is show clear after each drive then I have no problems what so ever. But mess up once and its back to the car. Then before gun goes on the wagon, or put away for mid day snacks/lunch, then I want to see it's empty. One more job on the day but I'm not going to spoil their day just because of tradition, the have worked hard during the year for not alot of reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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