Ollieollie Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 There seems to be an unhealthy habit in our society to find someone to blame. Reports say that the nextdoor neighbour saw the fridge on fire because the front door to the flat was open. Do I know if this is true or not.. NO. Was the cladding substandard, or up to spec.. I don't know. Where the Alarms malfunctioning /inaudible I don't know In truth nobody knows anything yet. As a nation we should stop looking for quick fix and find someone to blame, and let the authorities do there job without media and public pressure, so they can come to the right conclusion. What I know, is that I am sickened by the way the media has reported this tragedy, and have appeared to appoint themselves as Judge Jury and Executioner. IMO the PM did the right thing. A leader of a party should have the good cence to meet people who are greiving in private and not in front of the media. Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 There seems to be an unhealthy habit in our society to find someone to blame. Reports say that the nextdoor neighbour saw the fridge on fire because the front door to the flat was open. Do I know if this is true or not.. NO. Was the cladding substandard, or up to spec.. I don't know. Where the Alarms malfunctioning /inaudible I don't know In truth nobody knows anything yet. As a nation we should stop looking for quick fix and find someone to blame, and let the authorities do there job without media and public pressure, so they can come to the right conclusion. What I know, is that I am sickened by the way the media has reported this tragedy, and have appeared to appoint themselves as Judge Jury and Executioner. IMO the PM did the right thing. A leader of a party should have the good cence to meet people who are greiving in private and not in front of the media. +1 Its a shame the politicians don't just spell it out as you have here……. common sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Listening to the news throughout the day one interview springs to mind which after the first 2 or 3 airings this morning seems to have been shortened. The interviewee stated, as I remember, that as he walked past the flat that is suspected of being the source of the fire he said he could see the fire as the doors were open as always, so he went to help try to put it out. 2 things:- 1 why did they not call the fire brigade at this point 2 in later airings the "as always" I seem to remember had gone. It may be me imagining things but if the residents, as often happens, had jammed open doors due to high temperatures this would seriously compromise the Passive safety system and caused a stack effect within the structure. The cynic in me thinks points like this will be denied or never reach the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 No one will get done for this....a few will get their wrists slapped, as the building reg's were adhered to at the time...and danger was "risked away" by consultants....there will be a brief outcry...and the usual "lessons must be learnt" guff..........a nice payout to everybody end of............ prove me wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 From what i can understand,the cladding should of had a fire break/or will now have one in future to stop the chimney effect. Installed acres of the insulation used on the flats,its commonly used in domestic houses in the floor/walls and ceilings,but is then covered with plaster board giving it a fire break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 I see Corbyn's rent a mob have started - this is how the left wing loonies operate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 I know this was a horrendous thing to happen, but how cN people expect answers, two or three days after, when the fire itself is only just out. As for the angry mob, I get their frustration but seriously what are they expecting to gain out of it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) I see Corbyn's rent a mob have started - this is how the left wing loonies operate They are not going to miss a opportunity to try and get one over on the government., they will be rioting next. Edited June 16, 2017 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Rent a mob are just a re-incarnation of the flying pickets of the 70s The hard left at its worst, feeding off a tragedy. Most of the victims were only here because of Blair/Brown policies Edited June 16, 2017 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 the enquiry into this will be long,i fear it will just become a blame game,the builders will blame the council for cutting costs and the council will blame the government for cutting council funds an so it goes on.while some have said the building inspectors will have most likely been private contractors,they are still liable if they pass unfit work,also the council will have had a clerk of the works on site to oversee this job,i seriously doubt anyone will ever be brought to book for this tragic loss of life,and also let us not forget those who are left but will suffer trauma for years to come over this, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Has anyone been actually done for "corperate manslaughter"...and done time for it ......seems to me it is like Trespass.....it is the law but damned difficult to prove.... https://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2016/july/company-fined-550000-in-first-corporate-manslaughter-sentencing-under-new-guideline/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Do you know what? and this might be really controversial, nobody really cares a f-f fig for those who died. Its just about point scoring now Edited June 16, 2017 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Do you know what? and this might be really controversial, nobody really cares a f-f fig for those who died. Its just about point scoring now Both your last points were spot on Vince. The cynic in me imagined that Corbyn and co couldn't believe it when this terrible tragedy occured and have beep drip feeding since. Saying that, whilst i'm sure TM did no want to get in the way and take anything away from the services etc and has a country to run, meeting a few of those affected woud not have done her any harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Both your last points were spot on Vince. The cynic in me imagined that Corbyn and co couldn't believe it when this terrible tragedy occured and have beep drip feeding since. Saying that, whilst i'm sure TM did no want to get in the way and take anything away from the services etc and has a country to run, meeting a few of those affected woud not have done her any harm. She visited the injured, think they count as affected.?? The one thing she hasn't done is parade around infront the camera bekng fake. Unlike corbyn and celeb lilly Allen. Demanding answers 3 days after it happened knowning thats not pbysically possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Do you know what? and this might be really controversial, nobody really cares a f-f fig for those who died. Its just about point scoring now It's now reported that the council buildings that were attacked had their work stopped and had to be evacuated. So basically the work that rent a mob were supposedly campaigning for had to be put on hold. Morons. The deaths of scores of people turned into a political football by left wing idiots and the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Do you know what? and this might be really controversial, nobody really cares a f-f fig for those who died. Its just about point scoring now Have to agree. It`s just more party games............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Do you know what? and this might be really controversial, nobody really cares a f-f fig for those who died. Its just about point scoring now Spot on Vince. The Corbynistas have taken over and the whole thing is being used to discredit further, the government. Can you believe had Mrs May gone walk about down there that the Corbynistas would have calmly said, "Thank you for coming Mrs May, please help us how you can and find out if anyone was to blame." Don't for one moment believe that there wasn't a full protection unit around the Queen either. She does not like a fully obvious show of protective force, but you can bet it was there, covertly. It's Corbyn's back yard. Why didn't he do something about the sub standard construction ? He's drawing pay for being an MP to represent those poor people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Here we go again the usual conservative people blaming it all on corbyn supporters from what I have seen of it most of the people involved are refugees that do not even have the vote so blaming corbyn is just pathetic rubbish but then I would not expect any thing different. what bugs me is these people expecting the fire/police/council to tell them who was lost in the fire I think they need to show them some photos of burnt bodies and ask them is this your friend relative the plane fact is it will take weeks or months to even hope to identify what remains of the dead people I do feel very sorry for these people who have lost friends/relatives but think before you go protesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Here we go again the usual conservative people blaming it all on corbyn supporters from what I have seen of it most of the people involved are refugees that do not even have the vote so blaming corbyn is just pathetic rubbish but then I would not expect any thing different.. Actually I think you will find its mainly Corbynites trying to make political gain out of the whole tragedy, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Here we go again the usual conservative people blaming it all on corbyn supporters from what I have seen of it most of the people involved are refugees that do not even have the vote so blaming corbyn is just pathetic rubbish but then I would not expect any thing different. I'm with Shaun on this one - every politico interviewed or quoted by the media slating the government is rampantly socialist. It should also be noted that the current MP for the area is keeping very quiet on this - she was on the committees and bodies of the council that passed the referb plans and materials. Like it or not 4WD the only people making political hay and stirring the situation from this are Corbyn and his close followers. Edited June 17, 2017 by Yellow Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 I love the way that this site is so pro tory and if Mrs may had started the fire herself people on here would still defend her. it's about being amongst the people you represent and to suggest corbyn did it for political gain is in every was as misguided as suggesting may didn't do it for exactly the same reasons, may is scared of the people she is supposed to represent which is why she didn't go an meet them, corbyn wasn't scared so he did. It's that simple but don't let facts get in the way of your love for all things tory. Even the Queen who is in her 90's got off her royal backside and went to meet the people so by your logic she must also have done it for publicity or political gain. It's OK to be pro tory and still like things about corbyn and dislike things about may you know! I bet even David Cameron would have been there and met people the same as any other prime minister we have had before because they felt they had a moral obligation to show support towards the people they represent when it is so desperately needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Actually I think you will find its mainly Corbynites trying to make political gain out of the whole tragedy, Yes, you only had to look at the crowd to see the same old placards that follow corbyn around. Even jezzas jew hating mate livingstone is in on the act claiming it wouldn't have happened if he had won the mayoral election against Boris. He claimed he was going to have high rise safety looked at, but then added Boris won the election so the work never got done. And what's with all this fake news about dead bodies, first lily Allen was talking about 100 dead then on the news I saw some woman saying the government are lying about the figures as a woman on a train looked out of a window and supposedly saw 100s of bodies in body bags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Here we go again the usual conservative people blaming it all on corbyn supporters from what I have seen of it most of the people involved are refugees that do not even have the vote so blaming corbyn is just pathetic rubbish but then I would not expect any thing different. what bugs me is these people expecting the fire/police/council to tell them who was lost in the fire I think they need to show them some photos of burnt bodies and ask them is this your friend relative the plane fact is it will take weeks or months to even hope to identify what remains of the dead people I do feel very sorry for these people who have lost friends/relatives but think before you go protesting. I believe some of the flats were sub let. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Here we go again the usual conservative people blaming it all on corbyn supporters from what I have seen of it most of the people involved are refugees that do not even have the vote so blaming corbyn is just pathetic rubbish but then I would not expect any thing different. Isn't it strange how we see what we want to? I for instance saw Corbyn trying to point score politically ( whilst having yet another pop at people he perceives to be wealthy ) while May was criticised for not meeting the public, whereas I heard it was on advice of the security forces that she didn't mingle. I have no respect for either of them really; after all, they're both politicians; but damned if she did and damned if she didn't? The protestors set out to make it a political issue; are they seriously trying to suggest the fire wouldn't have happened under a Labour administration? Edited June 17, 2017 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 I think you are wrong; A private firm run that block on behalf of the council, I would expect to see a charge of Corporate Manslaughter at some stage in the future. hello, if it were china they would get 20 years, that said i maybe hard to prove who is exactly to blame hello, after all said and done the council will blame the goverment for capping the funding, the goverment will blame the council for whatever they can find if a report is undertaken, and it is very unlikely that the truth of circumstances will ever be stated, and no person will be brought to justice. and sadly it will happen again. hello, i will stand by my words, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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