Dick Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 So why hasn't the Syrian government arrested her for terrorism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Turn this around a little bit. 1944/45, British girl wants to return home to Blighty, after fleeing to Germany as a A.H. sympathiser. What would the thinking be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 It isn't the 1940's though is it? Good grief! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, henry d said: It isn't the 1940's though is it? Good grief! No, it is the Snowflake Revolution! When she returns with her newborn baby she should be arrested, questioned and dealt with accordingly. Edited February 18, 2019 by TIGHTCHOKE Syntax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: No, it is the Snowflake Revolution! When she returns with her newborn baby she should be arrested, questioned and dealt with accordingly. Think you mean, fed, washed, supplied new clothes for her and her baby(who is innocent in this), a nice little council house(4 bedroom of course) and then anonymity so she doesn't get hassle from others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 On 16/02/2019 at 22:07, ehb102 said: Beth Aze says it better than I can. Shamina Begum was 15 when she was influenced online through communication by adults. She was Groomed. She was then transported from the UK to Syria by adults. She was Trafficked. She was then married to, and conceived a child by, a 27 year old man. Still 15. She was raped / sexually exploited / sexually abused. She then experienced beheadings, knew of torture, and her two young children died. She was, is, traumatised. The response of the UK media and Government is victim blaming. This young woman, and her unborn child, need help. Like many victims of grooming, exploitation, abuse & trauma, she is defensive, distrustful, trying to hang onto what she was led to believe, and now slightly older than ‘a child’. That doesn’t change what has happened or what she needs. From me: I hear a lot of sympathy on this site for men who were violent at a young age. Shame you can't extend the same sympathy for a young woman who l at worst gullible and malleable. Bullshine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 On 16/02/2019 at 22:07, ehb102 said: Beth Aze says it better than I can. Shamina Begum was 15 when she was influenced online through communication by adults. She was Groomed. She was then transported from the UK to Syria by adults. She was Trafficked. She was then married to, and conceived a child by, a 27 year old man. Still 15. She was raped / sexually exploited / sexually abused. She then experienced beheadings, knew of torture, and her two young children died. She was, is, traumatised. The response of the UK media and Government is victim blaming. This young woman, and her unborn child, need help. Like many victims of grooming, exploitation, abuse & trauma, she is defensive, distrustful, trying to hang onto what she was led to believe, and now slightly older than ‘a child’. That doesn’t change what has happened or what she needs. From me: I hear a lot of sympathy on this site for men who were violent at a young age. Shame you can't extend the same sympathy for a young woman who was at worst gullible and malleable. I normally adore your humanity and unfailing decency as well as support your invariably intelligent stance on subjects but here we are faced with several victims. All of us have suffered the trauma of isis attacks in Europe as well as trauma suffered when we've learned of their (1000 times worse) atrocities committed onto brown people. I am a victim because they have tarnished brown people by their inhumanity. The practical side of these complicated issues cannot be glossed over, where are we going to put these kinds of people, how on earth do you de-radicalise them, who even seriously believes you can, who says they won't lie ?!? I agree 15 is an impressionable age but I bet you anything if you line up a hundred brown, white and yellow 15 year old kids they will all know enough difference between right and wrong to prevent them from willingly going over and marrying an isis scumbag. Now Trump is saying he wants Europe to take back hundreds of captured isis fighters, can you see how difficult it is to show humanity to these people ? My humanity and responsibility towards ordinary people means I can't entertain the idea of known killers with caliphate kind of brains being in any way brought close to ANY society and that includes brown countries. Keep them in safe communal compounds , treat and process them humanely and with compassion over several years, decades if that's what it takes until we can be beyond doubt certain they can be integrated back into their original societies but the notion of just taking them back, putting an ankle tag on them and risking the consequences is too horrific to contemplate - what message does that send to the next wave of such sicko's ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Well said Hamid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: No, it is the Snowflake Revolution! What is that all about? Times change it isn`t the 40`s we have moved on 70 years, get over it. When she returns with her newborn baby she should be arrested, questioned and dealt with accordingly. I`m sure she will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, henry d said: I`m sure she will 😆 Yeah right ! Of the ones who have already come back, including actual terror trained combatants, how many do you think have faced the 'full weight of the law' ? All of these hardened, radicalised jihadis, trained in weapons and explosives, how many just strolled back in, because they pretended they were somewhere else, how many sneaked back in ? Of the ones we know about, how many receive 24 hr surveillance at vast cost to the taxpayer ? How many slipped the net ? No one knows, the government has a set of 'official' figures, but wont give out any details, probably because they are too embarrassing, and would cause public outrage and panic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mps-demand-know-how-many-14009708 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just seen a Sky interview with her! What can you say, is it all an act to get back and cause grief here?! Its already been said by most here, I would not be prepared to take the chance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbrian Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 The plain fact is that she rejected this society and its by and large tolerant values and chose another which was totally different, indeed, an abomination in my opinion. Is it likely that her views have really changed? How will she probably bring up her child? Well over 400,000 people do not wish to have back - and they are being joined in their petition by many others every hour, almost every minute. And so far they have the total support of the Home Secretary. I just hope that he is not overruled in the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 Has it been reported if she or family is getting a fee from the interviews. When she returns imagine what a fortune there is to be made. TV newspaper, magazines, books, film rights. Won't be in need of a council house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butchdickason Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 I read that Danny Dyer has said he thinks she should be brought back and helped ? 😨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) Not that funny but i thought id share Edited February 18, 2019 by strimmer_13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, butchdickason said: I read that Danny Dyer has said he thinks she should be brought back and helped ? 😨 hello, if that is true it says it all, what a *******, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, butchdickason said: I read that Danny Dyer has said he thinks she should be brought back and helped ? 😨 Helped to do what???? 😙 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Helped to do what???? 😙 Get a part in Eastenders. New storyline coming up RE. Returning Jihadi bride integrating back into life in Londons tough east end. They reckon its gonna be explosive 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 She seems to have a very nasty piece of work for a lawyer as well https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6716669/How-ISIS-brides-lawyer-blamed-Britain-Lee-Rigby-killer.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: She seems to have a very nasty piece of work for a lawyer as well https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6716669/How-ISIS-brides-lawyer-blamed-Britain-Lee-Rigby-killer.html Says it all about her Family then does it not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6716167/Jihadi-bride-east-London-Shamima-Begum-family-lawyer-says-want-baby-son-home.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Rewulf said: 😆 Yeah right ! Of the ones who have already come back, including actual terror trained combatants, how many do you think have faced the 'full weight of the law' ? All of these hardened, radicalised jihadis, trained in weapons and explosives, how many just strolled back in, because they pretended they were somewhere else, how many sneaked back in ? Of the ones we know about, how many receive 24 hr surveillance at vast cost to the taxpayer ? How many slipped the net ? No one knows, the government has a set of 'official' figures, but wont give out any details, probably because they are too embarrassing, and would cause public outrage and panic. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mps-demand-know-how-many-14009708 There should be no distinction between any Daesh member they are all guilty of treason. Regardless of those loading the bullets, those firing the guns, those cooking the meals they are all equally guilty. If they have left the UK and supported a war against us they are guilty and should have the harshest possible sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 She has named the baby after a jihadi warlord ! [ what was wrong with Charles or William ] . also in her interview she claimed to support some British values............. hmm really endearing stuff, got me convinced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, oowee said: There should be no distinction between any Daesh member they are all guilty of treason. Regardless of those loading the bullets, those firing the guns, those cooking the meals they are all equally guilty. If they have left the UK and supported a war against us they are guilty and should have the harshest possible sentence. No disagreement with me there, however, the level of security threat to this country, should they return, is different between them. Ms Begum, I would class as low threat, whereas a jihadi who has seen combat, or has made IEDs over there, is a high level threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 She could easily breed a whole raft of IED makers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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