European election voting

[ditchman]

8 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Did anyone else see Anna Soubry cracking on about how well her Change UK group managed to get 600 000 votes and come NOWHERE!!!!!!

no i didnt.............saw bo-jo's sister say the same thing tho'............i mean come on   ....how bloody sad and arrogant can you get...cant they understand how stupid they sound.....they are so disconnected from the real world...

[JohnfromUK]

18 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Did anyone else see Anna Soubry cracking on about how well her Change UK group managed to get 600 000 votes and come NOWHERE!!!!!!

Umuna was twittering on about how well Change UK had done - and I looked and the won ............... 0 seats.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

The in fighting has started!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/05/27/change-uk-tactical-voting-row-anna-soubry-criticises-heidi-allen/

[Walker570]

I can see the FA Cup being played over and over again and probably eventually being won on agrogate but the loser takes the cup home.  This world has now gone completely mad.

[old'un]

The Brexit party have done well in such a short time, but they have no manifesto to fight a GE, I think when it comes voters will move back to the main parties and the Brexit party will pull a few votes from them, they would need something very special in their manifesto to win an election.

Or is it the case that Farage’s Brexit party is just about making the main parties think/change to his/their vision of Brexit?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

11 minutes ago, old'un said:

The Brexit party have done well in such a short time, but they have no manifesto to fight a GE, I think when it comes voters will move back to the main parties and the Brexit party will pull a few votes from them, they would need something very special in their manifesto to win an election.

Or is it the case that Farage’s Brexit party is just about making the main parties think/change to his/their vision of Brexit?

And until a General Election is called they do not need to publish a manifesto wish-list!

[Rewulf]

46 minutes ago, old'un said:

The Brexit party have done well in such a short time, but they have no manifesto to fight a GE, I think when it comes voters will move back to the main parties and the Brexit party will pull a few votes from them, they would need something very special in their manifesto to win an election.

Or is it the case that Farage’s Brexit party is just about making the main parties think/change to his/their vision of Brexit?

It's about trust. 

The BP doesn't have a history of broken manifesto promises, even if you say most of them are ex kippers, they still don't have a history of lying to the electorate. 

What they have said they will do, they've done, or will have when we get our government to deliver its promises, or lose power and let someone else do it. 

Anyone can promise fantasy policies like Labour and the lib dems do. 

When you have previous for not delivering them, and bank on the stupidity of people to keep voting for you regardless, you are building an empire in a disease ridden swamp. 

Corbyn can promise the moon, but he can't deliver it. 

The tories can promise an end to the Brexit mess, but they can't deliver it. 

These are facts, the BP doesn't have to promise anything special, but what it does promise has an untainted, very high probability of being delivered. 

[bostonmick]

I cannot see these results actually doing much in real terms. The main parties are as you ecpect dismissing it as merely a protest vote the same as they did local elections a few weeks back. The leaders of the EU seem to take notice of nobody. Unless we get a prime minister who actually has the balls to just go no deal I can't see us ever leaving. One thing this whole sorry mess has shown is the incompent encumbents of the house of Parliament up for what they truly are. Greedy lazy self serving liars. 

[wymberley]

36 minutes ago, bostonmick said:

I cannot see these results actually doing much in real terms. The main parties are as you ecpect dismissing it as merely a protest vote the same as they did local elections a few weeks back. The leaders of the EU seem to take notice of nobody. Unless we get a prime minister who actually has the balls to just go no deal I can't see us ever leaving. One thing this whole sorry mess has shown is the incompent encumbents of the house of Parliament up for what they truly are. Greedy lazy self serving liars. 

I watched the TV programme last night and just managed to hang on long enough to find out what happened down here. I switched off thinking that what I'd been watching was a collection of excited 4 year olds squabbling over who was gong to get the biggest slice of the cake.

[old'un]

47 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

It's about trust. 

The BP doesn't have a history of broken manifesto promises, even if you say most of them are ex kippers, they still don't have a history of lying to the electorate. 

What they have said they will do, they've done, or will have when we get our government to deliver its promises, or lose power and let someone else do it. 

Anyone can promise fantasy policies like Labour and the lib dems do. 

When you have previous for not delivering them, and bank on the stupidity of people to keep voting for you regardless, you are building an empire in a disease ridden swamp. 

Corbyn can promise the moon, but he can't deliver it. 

The tories can promise an end to the Brexit mess, but they can't deliver it. 

These are facts, the BP doesn't have to promise anything special, but what it does promise has an untainted, very high probability of being delivered. 

The BP has no past, full stop…they have no manifesto so cannot make any promises, if they are to-be taken seriously then they should show their colours now, Farage said they would produce a manifesto after the election, well he called it a policy platform instead of a manifesto.

[Gordon R]

All parties have reneged on their published manifesto, but clamour for Farage to produce his. It is laughable. They clearly don't grasp what has happened. It will be dismissed as a protest vote - and that would probably be right, but it is that type of thinking which ignored Donald Trump, until he got elected.

Whilst I never underestimate the ability of politicians to treat the electorate as stupid, I genuinely think that many people have had enough of their broken promises and self interest.

[old'un]

29 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

All parties have reneged on their published manifesto, but clamour for Farage to produce his. It is laughable. They clearly don't grasp what has happened. It will be dismissed as a protest vote - and that would probably be right, but it is that type of thinking which ignored Donald Trump, until he got elected.

Whilst I never underestimate the ability of politicians to treat the electorate as stupid, I genuinely think that many people have had enough of their broken promises and self interest.

I placed my X in the Brexit party box, my main reason for doing so was hopefully it would make the main parties sit-up and think, a protest vote if you like, not for one minute did it enter my head that the Brexit party could win a future general election, they have no past to judge them on, they have no manifesto to scrutinise.

A manifesto from them now that is deliverable would perhaps change that view.  

[Dave-G]

8 minutes ago, old'un said:

I placed my X in the Brexit party box, my main reason for doing so was hopefully it would make the main parties sit-up and think, a protest vote if you like, not for one minute did it enter my head that the Brexit party could win a future general election, they have no past to judge them on, they have no manifesto to scrutinise....

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As opposed to those who have been proven to renege on theirs. 

Edited May 27, 2019 by Dave-G

[old man]

1 hour ago, bostonmick said:

I cannot see these results actually doing much in real terms. The main parties are as you ecpect dismissing it as merely a protest vote the same as they did local elections a few weeks back. The leaders of the EU seem to take notice of nobody. Unless we get a prime minister who actually has the balls to just go no deal I can't see us ever leaving. One thing this whole sorry mess has shown is the incompent encumbents of the house of Parliament up for what they truly are. Greedy lazy self serving liars. 

Seemingly just the actions of a very average MP?

Hopefully once and for all the electorate see them for what they really are?

Possibly not that difficult to produce and deliver on a truthful manifesto?

[old'un]

10 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

As opposed to those who have been proven to renege on theirs. 

What!..they don’t have one to renege on?

[Gordon R]

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A manifesto from them now that is deliverable would perhaps change that view.  

Write off student loans, abolish student fees, hire an extra 200,000 Police, an extra 100,000 NHS staff, reduced fuel levy etc. All carefully costed and only amounts £100 million.

[ditchman]

2 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

Write off student loans, abolish student fees, hire an extra 200,000 Police, an extra 100,000 NHS staff, reduced fuel levy etc. All carefully costed and only amounts £100 million.

as per "Mathematical Abbotts Law"

[mudpatten]

"Manifesto" I hear you cry! You poor deluded fools. What political party has ever, ever delivered on it`s manifesto promises?

And yet you cry for more of the same sleight of hand, weasel words and deceit. Will you never learn!

The Brexit Party needs to destroy our current two party system and clear out the vermin that has infested Parliament for decades.

And then we can resume what is an Englishmans true purpose in life - fighting the French!

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, old'un said:

A manifesto from them now that is deliverable would perhaps change that view

What would be the point right now? 

We aren't having a GE, if and when we do, the political and economic landscape could be completely different. 

Let's let the dust settle on this, and see what this leadership thing produces, if it all goes pear shaped, an early GE is far more likely. 

Then we can talk about manifestos and suchlike. 

[old'un]

1 hour ago, Gordon R said:

Write off student loans, abolish student fees, hire an extra 200,000 Police, an extra 100,000 NHS staff, reduced fuel levy etc. All carefully costed and only amounts £100 million.

That will do for now…where do I put my X.

[muncher]

1 minute ago, old'un said:

That will do for now…where do I put my X.

Stop foreign aid, look after our elders property,and our veterans and sort out mental health provision and it would be a land slide.

[ditchman]

1 hour ago, mudpatten said:

"Manifesto" I hear you cry! You poor deluded fools. What political party has ever, ever delivered on it`s manifesto promises?

And yet you cry for more of the same sleight of hand, weasel words and deceit. Will you never learn!

The Brexit Party needs to destroy our current two party system and clear out the vermin that has infested Parliament for decades.

And then we can resume what is an Englishmans true purpose in life - fighting the French!

execellent post...

 

3 minutes ago, muncher said:

Stop foreign aid, look after our elders property,and our veterans and sort out mental health provision and it would be a land slide.

and free cartridges for the over 65's...

[GingerCat]

2 hours ago, old'un said:

I placed my X in the Brexit party box, my main reason for doing so was hopefully it would make the main parties sit-up and think, a protest vote if you like, not for one minute did it enter my head that the Brexit party could win a future general election, they have no past to judge them on, they have no manifesto to scrutinise.

A manifesto from them now that is deliverable would perhaps change that view.  

I did similar however I cannot ever vote Tory again (she has totally screwed me at work and in retirement and I'll pay more for it). I cannot vote Labour (just listen to their downright lies and Marxist carp). The liberals are a joke and should know better to promise things they can't deliver (a protest vote if ever I saw one). The greens are a joke. 

What's  left? (So to speak)

Farrage is 1 decent manifesto away from being pm and the other parties know it. They all laughed at trump and he's running for a second term and may well get it (has anyone ever seen a campaign against a serving president so full of venom before?) Yet he's still there. His economy is booming and he's quite happy to stick his neck out and upset people when it counts (china/steel/tariffs etc etc etc). 

Only a fool would ignore farrage. He has nothing to lose, everything to gain, likes a pint and a smoke and I bet he will be laughing all the way to Westminster. 

[McSpredder]

1 hour ago, mudpatten said:

And then we can resume what is an Englishmans true purpose in life - fighting the French!

..... but don't forget the other lot:

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen!

[gustaff]

do you think  boris may be the next pm  an avid brexiter and farage may get together politicly and start the new conservative party and deliver what the country wanted