washerboy Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Another sadly killed attending a call out. Is it time officers where armed with more then pepper spray or a tazer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 I think they should have the choice, as long as civilians have the same choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 It is a very sad thing - but I don't think arming police is the right answer. Possibly more armed police might help, but to have every policeman armed and with suitable training etc. is too much. Carrying arms is a huge responsibility - and one many police may not want. In my view, MUCH tougher sentences and making the risk of getting caught - and the resultant punishment a very strong deterrent is the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: It is a very sad thing - but I don't think arming police is the right answer. Possibly more armed police might help, but to have every policeman armed and with suitable training etc. is too much. Carrying arms is a huge responsibility - and one many police may not want. In my view, MUCH tougher sentences and making the risk of getting caught - and the resultant punishment a very strong deterrent is the way to go. This is pretty much the way that I see it . Many police officers are no more suited to carrying a firearm than many civilians. Sentences need to start suiting crimes , I'm all for giving anyone a second chance , were all human ,and we all mess up (especially when were young ) ,but when criminals have been committing crimes over and over again , then they really should be locked up for a very very long time , for the sake of the whole community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) Simple answer is NO. Whilst every death is a tradgedy (and those who commited the offense should be severely punished), arming all the poilice will not stop them being killed. Given the very low number of officers killed in the UK, (and excluding being run over or terrorists), an actual police officer killing is very rare and 1 death being shot by a firearm every 3 years is not a good enough reason for all police to carry when there are circa 130,000 police officers int he UK. Edited August 16, 2019 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Assuming this thread is referring to the murder of a policeman in Berkshire as he was " investigating a burglary", I cannot understand how 10 people can be arrested. Are burglars going around in large gangs ? There is a strange story behind this incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cranfield said: Assuming this thread is referring to the murder of a policeman in Berkshire as he was " investigating a burglary", I cannot understand how 10 people can be arrested. Are burglars going around in large gangs ? There is a strange story behind this incident. https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2019-08-16/murder-investigation-after-death-of-police-officer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Having spent a reasonable amount of professional time with the police I am in no way whatsoever keen on them all being armed. I have known a select handful who have repeatedly not got into firearms training who were clear that their life’s ambition was to shoot a criminal, entirely the wrong starting point for carrying firearms. A select few appropriately chosen is absolutely a good idea, what proportion of the overall workforce is probably best left to those who make such decisions for a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Have you seen some of them trying to operate a pen and paper? Properly trained, suitable armed cops, yes. General Police officers - no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Appears to have happened at a very rural location, ten people arrested. I think we can work that one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 hello, is it not time we gave our brave police force the credit they deserve, i would speculate a gang of ***** going round the Area, then they move off to another, a murder in cold blood as we say, i will bring back the death penalty, or life in prison meaning never ever let out, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Appears to have happened at a very rural location, ten people arrested. I think we can work that one out. Must admit I was thinking along similar lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Quote Appears to have happened at a very rural location, ten people arrested. I think we can work that one out. Rightly or wrongly, I came to the same conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 In this case I don’t think it would have helped. Some officers would rather resign than carry a firearm, and in todays society when you are investigated at the drop of a hat I’m sure some would not want the scythe hanging over them all the time. As for training, we have one of the most accountable and well trained forces in the world, and the entry standard and educational requirements are actually rather high. A soldier can join the army and 12 weeks later be in charge of a firearm, different scenario and occupation but the theory is the same. I think one of the things that sets us apart from the world is the ability for a police officer to actually interact without doing it down the barrel of a gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Gordon R said: Rightly or wrongly, I came to the same conclusion. hello, i know the area, a small village with the usual country houses around, not far from M4 and A4, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 We won't know until the full facts or at least more details are released. I agree that arming all officers is a recipe for disaster. Had this officer been armed, would the outcome have been any different? In the US officers are shot with their own guns. 10 v 1 is hardly fair, with or without a gun. What I do think should be mandatory is double crewing of officers, especially on night shifts. It's simply an officer safety issue. People think twice when there is more than one person to deal with. The whole issue (and 2 other recent events involving police officers) are incredibly sad and only fuel the debate about people's view of law and order. My condolences to all involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 I think there should be more Police on the street, with an increased number of those carrying firearms. I suspect many would not want to carry arms, looking at the way soldiers are being treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 We should all stand and show that all legal owners want tougher sentences and no excuses rich or poor kids. With dads or with out no more B S. Who wants to carry a gun and risk getting charged for hurting a scumbag as they will have more rights than the copper. Bring back hanging if there is a clear case of murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 From 1999 to 2019, 17 have died either by being runover or in vehicle crashes, 6 have been shot, 4 stabbed, 1 beaten, 4 collapsed and 1 by misadventure -Total 33 over 20 years. From 1979 to 1998, 19 by vehicles, 16 shot, 13 stabbed, 5 beaten, 7 collapsed, 5 by misadventure and 4 by bombs Total over 20 years - 69. From 58 to 78, 14 by vehicles, 17 shot, 5 stabbed, 5 beaten, 7 collapsed, 3 by misadventure, 1 by bomb, total 52. From 38 to 58, 6 by vehicles, 11 shot, 1 stabbed, 8 beaten, 4 collapsed, total of 32. From 18 to 37 7 by vehicles, 8 shot, 7 beaten, 3 by misadventure toatl 25. From 1900 to 1917 11 shot, 2 stabbed, 12 beaten, 12 collapsed, 3 by misadvanture total 40. Police deaths have therefore halved overall recently with numbers being shot (main reason for potentially carrying a gun) at lowest record levels for a 20 year period since 1900. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonbed Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Rightly or wrongly, I came to the same conclusion. Condolences to all affected by this. My only hope that is that IF this is a crime carried out by a certain (travelling) element of society, that their general lawlessness is looked at and clamped down on with full force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Spoonbed said: My only hope that is that IF this is a crime carried out by a certain (travelling) element of society, that their general lawlessness is looked at and clamped down on with full force. +1 and I think the present Home Secretary may be the best chance that will happen for some time. Edited August 16, 2019 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Arming the Police would mean fewer officers on the ground on a day to day basis as there would inevitably be a huge increase in training required to be AFOs. However, I'm not against the idea of arming more Police. But I'm with the general consesus here, I would rather see more Police on the streets with harsh penalties for the true scum out there including the death sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 40 minutes ago, Scully said: Must admit I was thinking along similar lines. Who wasn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 the way things have been ,they should have been armed years ago, if i was a copper id feel safe with a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, hedge said: We won't know until the full facts or at least more details are released. I agree that arming all officers is a recipe for disaster. Had this officer been armed, would the outcome have been any different? In the US officers are shot with their own guns. 10 v 1 is hardly fair, with or without a gun. What I do think should be mandatory is double crewing of officers, especially on night shifts. It's simply an officer safety issue. People think twice when there is more than one person to deal with. The whole issue (and 2 other recent events involving police officers) are incredibly sad and only fuel the debate about people's view of law and order. My condolences to all involved. This👍 There was an incident a couple of years back where a man was walking down the street with a walking stick and an officer thought it was a machete and taser him in the back just imagine if he was a firearm officer 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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