The Heron Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 I have just read that in Germany Tesla have had an injunction put in place against them because where they are building a site to produce their electric cars and batteries they have cut down thousands of trees, talk about smashing a life boat up to build a raft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 You have to break eggs to make an omellette! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 The Germans don't want to go upsetting Mr Musk or he'll just buy their entire country. 🤠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 I know he's a successful businessman but I can't stand the fella. Thinks he can do as he pleases. Proper megalomaniac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 I doubt he’ll be too bothered; he may regard it as part of business. Reminds me of a local property developer who flattened a house on land he had bought to develop. He immediately ‘turned himself in’ to the authorities, claiming he had no idea there were protected bats resident in the derelict property. He knew. He received a slap on the wrist and was heard commenting in the pub that the fine was nothing compared to the profit he would make on the houses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Scully said: I doubt he’ll be too bothered; he may regard it as part of business. Reminds me of a local property developer who flattened a house on land he had bought to develop. He immediately ‘turned himself in’ to the authorities, claiming he had no idea there were protected bats resident in the derelict property. He knew. He received a slap on the wrist and was heard commenting in the pub that the fine was nothing compared to the profit he would make on the houses. A true buisness man😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Anyone noticed the number of catastrophic fires in large old empty buildings? The fire always damages them beyond economical repair and they “have” to be demolished! Usually the large plot of land it stood on is then utilised for building numerous, overpriced new build matchbox houses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deker Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 I would imagine they've been looking for reasons to slow Tesla down until VW\Merc\BMW have a viable alternative. I don't like the guy but if he's bought the land to build a factory (and sought whatever building regs they need in Germany) then they must have known that whatever is there now would need to be removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 There was a pub near where I grew up that had historical connections and was a listed building. The new owner just flattened it a few weeks after buying it and happily paid the fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, Deker said: I would imagine they've been looking for reasons to slow Tesla down until VW\Merc\BMW have a viable alternative. I don't like the guy but if he's bought the land to build a factory (and sought whatever building regs they need in Germany) then they must have known that whatever is there now would need to be removed. The problem is that they started cutting down the trees despite not having a building permission for the factory. /M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Nuke said: The problem is that they started cutting down the trees despite not having a building permission for the factory. /M Aha! The difference between doing the right things, and doing things right ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 If you are law abiding citizen in this country you generally respect the planning law and try and do things right. However there are others who buy a plot of land,build a fancy wall at the front of it, move caravans on for a while then progress to permenant buildings and houses. Nothing happens and all planning laws never seem to apply. Many such settlements seem to be appearing all over the countryside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 hello, was Tesla going to build a factory in Swindon ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 A local ‘aristocrat’ felled a tree when it interfered with his internet signal! He needed to be in a direct line from the mast ( or to be able to receive a signal bounced off another’s receiver on a chimney, for example ) to receive a signal, but the tree was in the way. He paid the fine ( you can’t put a tree back up! ) and is quite happy with his signal now. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 18/02/2020 at 12:12, figgy said: Proper megalomaniac. He may go down quite well in Germany then. On 18/02/2020 at 13:59, panoma1 said: Anyone noticed the number of catastrophic fires in large old empty buildings? Happened to a large old building (Manor House, Northfield, formerly a residence of a member of the Cadbury family) in Birmingham where I had digs when a student Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just the ways and means act? Fingers up to the law abiding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Scully said: A local ‘aristocrat’ felled a tree when it interfered with his internet signal! He needed to be in a direct line from the mast ( or to be able to receive a signal bounced off another’s receiver on a chimney, for example ) to receive a signal, but the tree was in the way. He paid the fine ( you can’t put a tree back up! ) and is quite happy with his signal now. 🙂 Easier to ask for forgiveness that to ask for permission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, bluesj said: Easier to ask for forgiveness that to ask for permission His argument was that it’s his land and he’ll do with it as he pleases. Doesn’t always work like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 18/02/2020 at 12:12, figgy said: I know he's a successful businessman but I can't stand the fella. Thinks he can do as he pleases. Proper megalomaniac. If the definition of 'successful businessman' is 'keeps on burning through investors money and asking for more', then yes, he is. Tesla have not made an annual profit - ever. Yes, they occasionally make quarterly profits, but always by shunting costs forward one quarter to make the figures look better. Only last week shareholders were asked to put another $2bn in (yes, $2,000,000,000) to keep the lights on invest in future projects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 If it's investors money all the time how can he be classed as a billionaire? Something not right, if they think Tesla is worth a lot when it's making a loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 hours ago, TRINITY said: If you are law abiding citizen in this country you generally respect the planning law and try and do things right. However there are others who buy a plot of land,build a fancy wall at the front of it, move caravans on for a while then progress to permenant buildings and houses. Nothing happens and all planning laws never seem to apply. Many such settlements seem to be appearing all over the countryside Its a big problem round London suburbs with people building illegal extensions and bungalows at the bottom of the garden without planning permission. The councils are largely powerless to do anything about it . Yes they COULD take one or two cases to court and make them take it down but they can't fight all of them. Also the registered owner is usually hard to find, "Mr XYZ is not here at the moment but I will try to get a message to him" which of course never happens. You can't serve papers on a brother/ nephew/ uncle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, figgy said: If it's investors money all the time how can he be classed as a billionaire? Something not right, if they think Tesla is worth a lot when it's making a loss He has 'paper wealth'. Because the share value (and Musk owns a LOT of shares) is high based on demand. If it looks to come good - he (and the other shareholders) will be (actually) rich if they sell their shares. If it all goes pear shaped - the share value will plummet - and the company might have to cease trading ....... Amazon lost lots of money for years - and it came good and its founder (Geoff Bezos) is the wealthiest man in the world. Thats how it goes; value rises based on hope before real money is earned; people get rich taking risks on that sort of speculation; others go broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, robbiep said: If the definition of 'successful businessman' is 'keeps on burning through investors money and asking for more', then yes, he is. Tesla have not made an annual profit - ever. Yes, they occasionally make quarterly profits, but always by shunting costs forward one quarter to make the figures look better. Only last week shareholders were asked to put another $2bn in (yes, $2,000,000,000) to keep the lights on invest in future projects If it’s so bad why do they keep fronting it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: If it’s so bad why do they keep fronting it? Because the future will be electric cars. Tesla are just reserving their place at the table at present. You have to plant your crops in the spring if you want to harvest them in the autumn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishy735 Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 Do work for a customer of mine who is a big cheese in the organisation, he has mirror views and i describe him to friends as blofields henchman. What a to**er Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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