Newbie to this Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, henry d said: Again how much is those here without a true claim for asylum? Who knows? It's at least 12,000 (or so it's being reported) Regardless it's still costing the tax payer 6,500,000 a day, and that is what they are admitting to. I would guess it is a lot more. These people are not our problem, they have come from France, not fleeing war. Where they want to get to is irrelevant. We should only be taking asylum seekers (true ones that is), through agreements with other countries. They are already in a safe country, they have no need to come to the UK, only a want. Absolutely zero should be taken if they enter illegally. Edited November 1, 2022 by Newbie to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 Suella Bravaman is getting a huge amount of flack from remainers and museli eating liberals for wanting to kick the ECHR into touch and clamping down on the blatantly illegal channel migrants She needs our support to fend off the negative forces trying to undermine her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 50 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Suella Bravaman is getting a huge amount of flack from remainers and museli eating liberals for wanting to kick the ECHR into touch and clamping down on the blatantly illegal channel migrants She needs our support to fend off the negative forces trying to undermine her and how the heck can we do that ?????...............we the people have NO CONTROL over what the govt do.....we vote them in on their promises and manifesto......and as soon as they are in ....its snouts in the trough and **** you jack im alright....dont bother me ....about what you thickos know nothing about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Newbie to this said: These people are not our problem, they have come from France, not fleeing war. Where they want to get to is irrelevant. OK, let's chase this rabbit. "They have come from France not fleeing war" so they are either French or have come from another country. The former is ludicrous the latter we have to chase, so before France another and another country until they are just over the border of their homeland. Apply this to Ukraine and we have millions in Poland, Moldova, Romania Slovakia and Hungary. Where does a gay Iranian go to? Over the border to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan... Where they want to get to IS VERY relevant it has to be safe, and for many the best place is where you have friends or family or can speak the language etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 32 minutes ago, ditchman said: ..we the people have NO CONTROL over what the govt do.....we vote them in on their promises and manifesto......and as soon as they are in ....its snouts in the trough and **** you jack im alright....dont bother me ....about what you thickos know nothing about bang on the money if a vote could bring real change they would take it of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, henry d said: So we just let them starve until we ascertain their claim to asylum? Boy you are way right of any fascist or other despot I can think of 😳 Again how much is those here without a true claim for asylum? A but too sharp there Henry? All I did was honestly answer a simple question? Mm fascist or despot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, clangerman said: bang on the money if a vote could bring real change they would take it of us Hhhhhahahahhahaaaa.............we dont always see eye to eye ...but i love that quote.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, henry d said: OK, let's chase this rabbit. "They have come from France not fleeing war" so they are either French or have come from another country. The former is ludicrous the latter we have to chase, so before France another and another country until they are just over the border of their homeland. Apply this to Ukraine and we have millions in Poland, Moldova, Romania Slovakia and Hungary. Where does a gay Iranian go to? Over the border to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan... they want to get to IS VERY relevant it has to be safe, and for many the best place is where you have friends or family or can speak the language etc etc They are already in a safe country, unless these dinghies are braving the open seas and oceans (there's me thinking they were just crossing the Channel), they cannot get to the UK without passing through safe countries, all of which accept asylum seekers. 19 minutes ago, henry d said: Where they want to get to IS VERY relevant it has to be safe Are you suggesting France is not a safe country. As for their wants they are completely irrelevant, if they are truely asylum seekers they will be happy to be in a safe country (except it seems France). If they then want to come to the UK they should seek to do this legally. Personally I think it is about time that these people started fighting to change their oppressive governments, just as our ancestors had to. 12,000 of 40,000 this year, that 100% have no right to asylum. I wonder how many have been deported. Those are just the numbers they know about. Edited November 1, 2022 by Newbie to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, henry d said: OK, let's chase this rabbit. "They have come from France not fleeing war" so they are either French or have come from another country. The former is ludicrous the latter we have to chase, so before France another and another country until they are just over the border of their homeland. Apply this to Ukraine and we have millions in Poland, Moldova, Romania Slovakia and Hungary. Where does a gay Iranian go to? Over the border to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan... Where they want to get to IS VERY relevant it has to be safe, and for many the best place is where you have friends or family or can speak the language etc etc If they’re fleeing war then any country which isn’t at war MUST be a better option, or indeed safe. France isn’t at war with anyone, so why would anyone once arriving in France ( or any other country not at war ) then make their way to its channel coast to endanger their lives further, and in some cases their children, by getting into a small boat to cross one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world? If you don’t think that’s highly suspect then I question your logic or your honesty. The case with Ukraine refugees is that those coming to the UK have already been offered accommodation. The group some friends of mine are part of which travels to Poland to collect refugees, then drops them off in any part of Poland they wish to go. Poland isn’t at war. Most of those coming to the UK have been offered homes and sanctuary either by individuals or organisations, or government. Those rocking up on our shores from France, haven’t, as far as I’m aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 43 minutes ago, henry d said: Where does a gay Iranian go to? Over the border to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan... I would imagine that if they have £5000+ to get them across the channel in a rubber dinghy, then they could afford a plane ticket to pretty much anywhere in the world ? Saying they are gay is a total cop out anyway, does every gay man or woman in Iran (or any other country that frowns on it) have to leave, never mind brave a cold night dodging tankers in the Channel ? Its always nice to hear about these homosexual men bringing their wives and kids over once they get settled in their new tax payer funded house though ..... I mean lets be realistic, why dont these people just apply for a visa to visit all these relatives they seem to have , jump on a plane , then claim asylum once they land ? Sounds a lot more comfortable to me, cheaper , and the luggage will get less wet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rewulf said: I would imagine that if they have £5000+ to get them across the channel in a rubber dinghy, then they could afford a plane ticket to pretty much anywhere in the world ? Saying they are gay is a total cop out anyway, does every gay man or woman in Iran (or any other country that frowns on it) have to leave, never mind brave a cold night dodging tankers in the Channel ? Its always nice to hear about these homosexual men bringing their wives and kids over once they get settled in their new tax payer funded house though ..... I mean lets be realistic, why dont these people just apply for a visa to visit all these relatives they seem to have , jump on a plane , then claim asylum once they land ? Sounds a lot more comfortable to me, cheaper , and the luggage will get less wet I typed out a reply of about the same content as your first paragraph but I couldn't make it read right to my mind so I'll give your a thumbs up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 4 hours ago, henry d said: So we just let them starve until we ascertain their claim to asylum? Boy you are way right of any fascist or other despot I can think of 😳 Again how much is those here without a true claim for asylum? No we send them straight back to France. Anyone who arrives on a dingy has not fled a war zone and is not fleeing a inhumane country. 2 hours ago, Scully said: If they’re fleeing war then any country which isn’t at war MUST be a better option, or indeed safe. France isn’t at war with anyone, so why would anyone once arriving in France ( or any other country not at war ) then make their way to its channel coast to endanger their lives further, and in some cases their children, by getting into a small boat to cross one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world? If you don’t think that’s highly suspect then I question your logic or your honesty. The case with Ukraine refugees is that those coming to the UK have already been offered accommodation. The group some friends of mine are part of which travels to Poland to collect refugees, then drops them off in any part of Poland they wish to go. Poland isn’t at war. Most of those coming to the UK have been offered homes and sanctuary either by individuals or organisations, or government. Those rocking up on our shores from France, haven’t, as far as I’m aware. Excellent post 👌 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 7 hours ago, Rewulf said: Saying they are gay is a total cop out anyway, does every gay man or woman in Iran (or any other country that frowns on it) have to leave, never mind brave a cold night dodging tankers in the Channel ? It's a bit more serious than just being frowned upon, some get their orifices glued together and left to die, beatings/stoning, shunned by the rest of society etc. It's like being a confirmed Labour/Green voter or living in AND liking London on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boybrit Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 The Dover bomber Leak is also understood to have suffered from rheumatoid arthritis and had battled cancer and mental health issues in recent years, telling one neighbour that he had his penis removed because of a late stage tumour around four years ago. So Leak is a good surname🤣 He was also a long time cannabis user so that shows how harmful it could be for those on here I am sure there are some who do puff it as its use is rife. Dover is rapidly turning olive skinned, the charity shops are usually full of families of 5+ migrants, Dover even has 9x I think Kurdish barber shops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samboy Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Plenty of Turk barber and kebab shops where i live opening up. Simple, don't go in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, samboy said: Plenty of Turk barber and kebab shops where i live opening up. Simple, don't go in them. If there is a niche in the market for them to open up why can't our do it because they are to lazy i go to the Turks and they give a good cut with all the trimmings' eyebrows ear hair they are good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, ditchman said: just shy of 40,000 for this year so far........... Hello, yes and who knows how many next year, it's getting beyond a joke, there are estimated 750, 000 illegal immigrants in UK that have crossed the channel, many from war torn countries , seems now there is no criteria as many now are from Albania , and so are the traffickers 🤔 Edited November 2, 2022 by oldypigeonpopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Don't forget - these are the ones that they know about - there are plenty of boats found on the shoreline that didn't get the VIP treatment from RNLI/UKBF I wonder how many that is - an extra 10,20, 30% or could it be more??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, discobob said: Don't forget - these are the ones that they know about - there are plenty of boats found on the shoreline that didn't get the VIP treatment from RNLI/UKBF I wonder how many that is - an extra 10,20, 30% or could it be more??? Can't be any extra, they are all asylum seekers, desperately in need of our money help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Dave-G said: I typed out a reply of about the same content as your first paragraph but I couldn't make it read right to my mind so I'll give your a thumbs up. Normally I don't see rewolfs posts but since you and he agree I will answer your post. We are lucky to have access to passports and visas as well as free access to plane travel, not every one does so what seems like a simple solution isn't. My cousin and her family fled Iraq, they used a car and foot to cross to Syria they had clothes and money and that's all, the car and house were left behind. Her husband was a rector of a University and had to be a party member but still couldn't get the visa and tickets. Eventually they made it back to England, they went to live in the south east of England instead of the north east because her brothers lived there and both got decent jobs. Part of their story is in a book, high tea in Mosul iirc. Not everything is as simple as having the money and jumping on the next plane out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Rim Fire said: If there is a niche in the market for them to open up why can't our do it because they are to lazy i go to the Turks and they give a good cut with all the trimmings' eyebrows ear hair they are good I went to a Turkish barbers in Glasgow the other week the B****** set fire to my ears..😄. He offered to do my eyebrows but I declined. actually very good barber and good luck to them for trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, henry d said: Normally I don't see rewolfs posts but since you and he agree I will answer your post. We are lucky to have access to passports and visas as well as free access to plane travel, not every one does so what seems like a simple solution isn't. My cousin and her family fled Iraq, they used a car and foot to cross to Syria they had clothes and money and that's all, the car and house were left behind. Her husband was a rector of a University and had to be a party member but still couldn't get the visa and tickets. Eventually they made it back to England, they went to live in the south east of England instead of the north east because her brothers lived there and both got decent jobs. Part of their story is in a book, high tea in Mosul iirc. Not everything is as simple as having the money and jumping on the next plane out. I think most people would be willing to help those in genuine need, but most of the people coming here now are here for one thing, if not why not claim asylum in the first safe country? The other point is the sheer numbers, the country cannot stand this amount of people in such a short period, it will only cause unrest and resentment. Yes take refugees but make sure they are genuine, if not return to place of origin, France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 35 minutes ago, old'un said: I think most people would be willing to help those in genuine need, but most of the people coming here now are here for one thing, if not why not claim asylum in the first safe country? So my cousin and family should have stayed in Syria rather than England? They didn't know anyone there but had family in London. The other point is the sheer numbers, the country cannot stand this amount of people in such a short period, it will only cause unrest and resentment. Yes take refugees but make sure they are genuine, if not return to place of origin, France. Surely that is what is happening now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Quote it's getting beyond a joke, there are estimated 750, 000 illegal immigrants in UK that have crossed the channel, Try multiplying that by 10 - it would be more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 29 minutes ago, henry d said: But they could have gone to Syria and applied to then come to the UK - which would have been greatly accelerated as I gather your cousin was a UK citizen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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