Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

2 minutes ago, London Best said:

Does it end in, “off Mel”?

No, not at all!

[mel b3]

1 hour ago, London Best said:

Does it end in, “off Mel”?

Now come on , we can all read Russian 😁.

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, mel b3 said:

Now come on , we can all read Russian 😁.

We will all......

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, I keep hearing all this talk from politicians and such like that what is happening in Ukraine amounts to War Crimes and yet not one country or group of countries like NATO or USA want to go up against Putin citing it could lead to WW 3 , Nuclear War , or worse , so he carries on with his determination to bring another country and its citizens with death and destruction, i like millions around the watch the TV reports in despair , how can any Russian citizen look at their President like he's God as expressed in a news report I watched yesterday, Putin is a man with pure hatred for the West as you can see when he's attended meetings with other countries leaders, I can never see Putin being tried for any crime commited in Ukraine, 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

30 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, I keep hearing all this talk from politicians and such like that what is happening in Ukraine amounts to War Crimes and yet not one country or group of countries like NATO or USA want to go up against Putin citing it could lead to WW 3 , Nuclear War , or worse , so he carries on with his determination to bring another country and its citizens with death and destruction, i like millions around the watch the TV reports in despair , how can any Russian citizen look at their President like he's God as expressed in a news report I watched yesterday, Putin is a man with pure hatred for the West as you can see when he's attended meetings with other countries leaders, I can never see Putin being tried for any crime commited in Ukraine, 

Because he controls the media that his people receive.

I agree, I doubt he or any of his military staff will ever be tried.

Edited March 14, 2022 by TIGHTCHOKE
Spellage!

[wymberley]

14 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Because he controls the media that his people receive.

I agree, I doubt he or any of his military staff will ever be tried.

Nah. Just a formality anyway. Some one will just skip around that and go straight to the last bit.

[mel b3]

46 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, I keep hearing all this talk from politicians and such like that what is happening in Ukraine amounts to War Crimes and yet not one country or group of countries like NATO or USA want to go up against Putin citing it could lead to WW 3 , Nuclear War , or worse , so he carries on with his determination to bring another country and its citizens with death and destruction, i like millions around the watch the TV reports in despair , how can any Russian citizen look at their President like he's God as expressed in a news report I watched yesterday, Putin is a man with pure hatred for the West as you can see when he's attended meetings with other countries leaders, I can never see Putin being tried for any crime commited in Ukraine, 

I've been watching the TV this morning. And the question was asked about what the Russian people think of it . They said that young Russians living in the Ukraine are calling their parents in Russia,  they're obviously in great distress about being bombed and shot at , yet their parents can't understand their distress , as they think that the ukranian people are just being liberated , and are in no danger .

Putin really is winning the propaganda war.

I can't imagine that he'll ever see the inside of a court room . The best that we can hope for is that one of his own puts one into his head .

[oldypigeonpopper]

47 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

I've been watching the TV this morning. And the question was asked about what the Russian people think of it . They said that young Russians living in the Ukraine are calling their parents in Russia,  they're obviously in great distress about being bombed and shot at , yet their parents can't understand their distress , as they think that the ukranian people are just being liberated , and are in no danger .

Putin really is winning the propaganda war.

I can't imagine that he'll ever see the inside of a court room . The best that we can hope for is that one of his own puts one into his head .

Last paragraph, let's hope so 👍

[Dougy]

Don't know about the inside of a court room, rather the inside of a coffin. He's got to be the target of an awful lot of people. 

Edited March 14, 2022 by Dougy

[old man]

18 hours ago, ditchman said:

its a wonder we havnt heard from the oracle Mr Blair

F*S, don't wake him up.

Him getting involved could not serve well?

Edited March 14, 2022 by old man

[Vince Green]

19 hours ago, ditchman said:

its a wonder we havnt heard from the oracle Mr Blair

I seem to remember that he and G W Bush rained death and destruction down on the innocent people of Iraq because of false claims about the leader of that country. Nobody has put him in court

[Rewulf]

2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

I keep hearing all this talk from politicians and such like that what is happening in Ukraine amounts to War Crimes

We need to keep perspective of what constitutes a war crime.
Im not making excuses, but to my mind a war crime is a deliberate act, Sajid was saying this morning that the attack on the maternity hospital , was a deliberate attack and constitutes a war crime , 'For which Putin will pay'
The Russians say the hospital had been evacuated , and was occupied by a Ukrainian military unit .
If they got it wrong , is that a deliberate attack, is it like the Americans call it , 'collateral' ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airstrike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haska_Meyna_wedding_party_airstrike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granai_airstrike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azizabad_airstrike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narang_night_raid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruzgan_helicopter_attack

A small sample of 'mistakes' from Afghanistan, note , in most cases the denial of any wrong doing at first , then an attempt to downplay the civilian casualties, usually followed by a compensation package that amounts to a few thousand dollars.

No war crimes investigation, never mind any convictions.
A couple may have lost a rank.

The Russians are perfectly capable of levelling cities in Ukraine, Im not seeing wholesale wanton destruction targeting civilians, its totally counter productive.
What I am seeing is some very conflicting reports about whats happening.

[Newbie to this]

I think this is a very fair question.

Edited March 14, 2022 by Newbie to this

[TIGHTCHOKE]

VERY fair, let's combine the two and parachute B Liar Esq straight in to Moscow!

[London Best]

15 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

VERY fair, let's combine the two and parachute B Liar Esq straight in to Moscow!

Preferably, without said parachute!

[Scully]

It’s war, it’s a dirty pursuit. Putin will never face trial for anything the west claims he is responsible for. 

[oowee]

21 minutes ago, Scully said:

It’s war, it’s a dirty pursuit. Putin will never face trial for anything the west claims he is responsible for. 

Never is a long time. He might not live that long I guess.

[Scully]

27 minutes ago, oowee said:

Never is a long time. He might not live that long I guess.

It doesn’t matter how long never is, it won’t happen.
Think about everything that has to happen before Putin stood trial. It ain’t gonna happen. 

[Dave-G]

Cretin has been seriously humiliated by (apparently) asking China for assistance in his invasion of Ukraine.

Even if its fake news its embarrasing for the supposedly massively equipped Russia to be seen to be struggling to finish what he started.

I've had to reset the browser and have no spellcheck on ATM so apologies in advance for any typo's.

[Mice!]

Does anybody else think it's a strange time for NATO to be sending 30,000 troops to Norway?

4 hours ago, Dave-G said:

Cretin has been seriously humiliated by (apparently) asking China for assistance in his invasion of Ukraine.

Even if its fake news its embarrasing for the supposedly massively equipped Russia to be seen to be struggling to finish what he started.

I've had to reset the browser and have no spellcheck on ATM so apologies in advance for any typo's.

If its fake news then why would it be embarrassing?

On the BBC news feed yesterday I think, it was saying USA warn China not to send weapons or supplies to Russia .

[Mungler]

China will pay a bit of lip service to keeping the Russians on side, but they aren’t daft and won’t want to have a hand in bringing about the end of the world especially when the future looks rather bright for China.

I can’t quite tell if the reports are true, but it looks like sections of the FSB were given billions to bung and corrupt the Ukrainian high command.

All the reports back to Putin were that the bungs were being well received by Ukrainian officials who were all now very pro Russian.

The problem was that the FSB had trousered the bung money and made up / fed a pack a pack of lies back to Putin, never for one moment thinking that Putin would factor this BS intel into his plans to invade Ukraine (and liberate a population that would be pleased to see Russian uniforms).

All of this would explain why the Russian convoy was packed full of riot gear and not more bombs and kit for an invasion that was going to last beyond 2 weeks.

We’ve all been told that no one should play chess with a Russian because they’re thinking 10 moves in front and that Putin is a great tactician… that is not what we are seeing, and right now Putin needs to find a way out of the corner he has so obviously painted himself into.

 

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, I see 2 English men killed, were the X solders ??

[Smokersmith]

43 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, I see 2 English men killed, were the X solders ??

No confirmed reports I’ve seen on this, just speculation they might have been in the training centre that got battered recently.

[oldypigeonpopper]

2 minutes ago, Smokersmith said:

No confirmed reports I’ve seen on this, just speculation they might have been in the training centre that got battered recently.

Hello, ah that must have been the report, 

[Dave-G]

5 hours ago, Mungler said:

China will pay a bit of lip service to keeping the Russians on side, but they aren’t daft and won’t want to have a hand in bringing about the end of the world especially when the future looks rather bright for China.

I can’t quite tell if the reports are true, but it looks like sections of the FSB were given billions to bung and corrupt the Ukrainian high command.

All the reports back to Putin were that the bungs were being well received by Ukrainian officials who were all now very pro Russian.

The problem was that the FSB had trousered the bung money and made up / fed a pack a pack of lies back to Putin, never for one moment thinking that Putin would factor this BS intel into his plans to invade Ukraine (and liberate a population that would be pleased to see Russian uniforms).

All of this would explain why the Russian convoy was packed full of riot gear and not more bombs and kit for an invasion that was going to last beyond 2 weeks.

We’ve all been told that no one should play chess with a Russian because they’re thinking 10 moves in front and that Putin is a great tactician… that is not what we are seeing, and right now Putin needs to find a way out of the corner he has so obviously painted himself into.

 

That sounds feasible.  But China and Russia could be more than NATO can deal with.

I'm wondering if most of us just assumed Cretin implied nuclear when he threatened words to the effect of retaliation with something not seen before - maybe he's thinking chemical or biological.

Edited March 15, 2022 by Dave-G