wisdom Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2023/05/dambusters-dog-mascots-grave-may-be-relocated-from-raf-scampton/ This is unbelievable my late father flew in lancs during the 2nd World War in 617 squadron(wasn't a dambuster).surely this is wrong.The dogs name was not offensive at the time.We really are losing our way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 so we are bending over backwards to help these incomers...who have more rights than us .....and they just continue to bend us over a barrel and give it to us up the funderment......and laugh..................and we do nothing they are bit by bit destroying our history and communities...... this is not going to end well................and it will be all ourfault as usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted May 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 Here is the original and replacement gravestone.I hope the original is preserved somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 One gamedealer in hampshires farther was called ****** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian willetts Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 We called a school chum ****** instead of Nigel what is the flaming world coming to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 It is perfectly okay for Quentin Tarantino films to use the word very frequently, but not for the rest of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 As i qouted in a previous thread the cities / towns Blackpool Whitehaven Blackburn and street names to name a few will be changed because of their * racist * tones to the ungrateful people coming to abuse our hospitality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 We all know the dog's name, don't attempt to evade the swear filter please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 3 hours ago, wisdom said: The dogs name was not offensive at the time. I suspect a certain part of the population would disagree on that. I don't agree with this trying to change history to fit modern values but it has always been offensive and always used in such a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 Quote I don't agree with this trying to change history to fit modern values but it has always been offensive and always used in such a way. Clearly Guy Gibson didn't subscribe to that view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 We must all write to the council Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 1 hour ago, 39TDS said: I suspect a certain part of the population would disagree on that. I don't agree with this trying to change history to fit modern values but it has always been offensive and always used in such a way. This. FWIW Gibson was not well liked by some of his Squadron. But the dog was called N***** that's also fact. It is as it is. In or out of its time the word is offensive and demeans those it refers to and those that use it. But equally to expunge it rather than to leave it in place but also contextualise is also offensive as it removes the "wrong" and hides it rather than confronting it and challenging it. That, removing it rather than confronting it, is the narrative of "out of sight is out of mind". A cowardly response that lacks the courage to challenge. When instead it should be saying this is X and X while of its time was wrong then and is wrong now. My late mother recalls dancing with Guy Gibson when he was based at RAF Woodhall Spa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 The lunatics have taken over the Asylum , it’s historical, are we going to rewrite our language seek damages from the Italians (Romans) and other nations who changed our culture and Language Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robden Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 Maybe knock down all the pyramids as well, which were built by slaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr grumpy Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 If it is so offensive.why can black people call each other ******(and they do, because I work with several). what a load of bunkum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, Mr grumpy said: If it is so offensive.why can black people call each other ******(and they do, because I work with several). what a load of bunkum. This^^^^^ The word should be either used by none (which is my stance), or allowed to be used by all. Not pick and choose who can use it. It creates the very thing they claim to be against, a two tiered society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 7 hours ago, 39TDS said: I suspect a certain part of the population would disagree on that. I don't agree with this trying to change history to fit modern values but it has always been offensive and always used in such a way. If it's that offensive then Why is it used in every rap song going and in films years after this offensive dog died?!? Baffles me to how it's offense when it suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmm243 Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 I read an article in the Daily Mail last night about this. Couldn't believe that they never once mentioned the dogs name. All they said was it was used as a code word for success in the raids and was ' a racial slur'. I don't know why people want to change history and try to hide the parts of it that might be offensive nearly 100 years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yates Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Robden said: Maybe knock down all the pyramids as well, which were built by slaves. Misconception, the pyramids were built by the local 'trades' people at the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 It is once again a matter brought to prominence by a small vocal minority who go through life 'looking to be offended'. In my working life I have worked with people of many ethnic make ups and skin tones. It passes them by. They just get on with life and the past is in the past. In a slightly similar case, someone (commentator or invited 'celebrity' - I don't know which as I had never heard the name before) on the TV watching the Coronation was going on about why the party on the balcony at Buckingham Palace were all white faces! What did she expect? She knew it was a 'family photo' and knows who is in the family. Why make a big issue on TV about it? Again - 'looking to be offended'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 Maybe those who find the word insulting should think about the work Gibson did to shorten the war, without men like him the fate of black people in this country would have been bleak at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 Having calmed down and thought about it, speaking as a 22 year ex Brat, this does make sense. It keeps the mascot 'in the family' but more importantly perhaps as mentioned in the report it does keep the memorial safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 12 hours ago, ditchman said: so we are bending over backwards to help these incomers...who have more rights than us .....and they just continue to bend us over a barrel and give it to us up the funderment......and laugh..................and we do nothing they are bit by bit destroying our history and communities...... this is not going to end well................and it will be all ourfault as usual They are on a roll now and there is very little anyone can do to stop it, people have been brainwashed into feeling guilty should they speak out about such matters. As you say, they are slowly destroying our way of life and our history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouser Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 When will someone high up grow a pair and say enough is enough, if it offends you don’t look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Robden said: Maybe knock down all the pyramids as well, which were built by slaves. Great point - and the colosseum - and so much that we treasure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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