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Didn't a Judge essentially say if you burgle a house that has firearms in it and you get shot then boo hoo for you.

 

Ah found it http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9569359/Expect-to-be-shot-if-you-burgle-gun-owners-judge-warns-criminals.html

reading a link connected to your link the Ferrie couple received threats and went to live in Australia

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Yeah I was thinking about that I know coke will dissolve a tooth pretty quickly surely the acidity in a tank full of pig slurry would dissolve teeth that have been through a pigs digestive system? I reckon I'd risk it and then scrape the sheds out and empty the slurry tank across a few massive fields after a week. Good look finding those partially digested teeth.

 

For the record I haven't got any pigs or slurry tank or slurry tanker to pump the slurry away or any dead bodies lying around nor have I ever shot anyone 😬

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I wouldn't be able to get my gun out of the cabinet quickly enough to shoot anyone if they were in my bedroom because all the other people in my house put so much **** in the cupboard I can hardly get to it.

 

Did this guy have his gun under the bed ? Might be an idea to keep my daughter's 410 handy in case the 'do as you likies ' come knocking in the middle of the night.

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You can defend yourself or loved ones already in the UK by any means.

 

Reasonable force is the wording, but no one will specify what that is, so it is down to the Judge on the day to decide if it was reasonable or not. If you could defend yourself and love ones by any means then why do charges get brought when people do?

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Reasonable force is the wording, but no one will specify what that is, so it is down to the Judge on the day to decide if it was reasonable or not. If you could defend yourself and love ones by any means then why do charges get brought when people do?

Because it is judged that the defender went beyond "reasonable force".

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If you could defend yourself and love ones by any means then why do charges get brought when people do?

If you kill or injure someone defending yourself using whatever comes to hand including a firearm then you will have to show you used responsible force etc, and you might have to do that in court.

 

 

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Reasonable, proportionate. So shooting an unarmed toe rag in the back as they run away doesn't count but if they are armed and you are confronted then you've got more of a chance of showing that being reasonable and proportionate towards the danger faced.

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Because it is judged that the defender went beyond "reasonable force".

If you kill or injure someone defending yourself using whatever comes to hand including a firearm then you will have to show you used responsible force etc, and you might have to do that in court.

 

My comment was in reply to someone saying you can by any means, NOT reasonable force

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I have a friend who was home invaded by 3 blokes about 4am. He is no shrinking violet but got hit by a jemmy bar. It was a serious situation. The problem with all of this is that no one expects to be in a situation like this and as such is totally unprepared. If you are fast asleep and any weapons are locked away, how much disturbance would it take to wake you up and to understand that someone is breaking into your home or something isn't right. Even if you were woken by a noise who would Rush to get a gun, load it up and confront a supposed attacker? My friend and his wife were woken by the dogs barking like mad. She got up to see what they were barking at and she just said. >> Who are you and what are you doing here? The next thing she was thrown back into the room and there were 3 blokes in there with them. I don't believe that anyone would be able to get tooled up and even if they did how many people would really pull the trigger. The thought of further consequences must be a consideration.

What shot size would be best for the caravan club members? 12 shot to blind or BB to rip to pieces. I suppose that at about six paces or less it wouldn't make a lot of difference. As far as I can see is the main point is some sort of gate so that even if someone breaks in, the barrier would stop them from getting to you before you have alerted plod and taken steps to get into a secure room and then get tooled up waiting for plod to arrive or if the invaders are determined to get at you to take avoiding resistive action.

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If a person is allowed to use 'reasonable' force to defend himself/family/friends etc and it is a life or potentially life threatening situation. Then surely in the name of all that's sensible any and all force is reasonable.

 

The law may not see it that way but you/they will have survived and that's all that matters.

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If a person is allowed to use 'reasonable' force to defend himself/family/friends etc and it is a life or potentially life threatening situation. Then surely in the name of all that's sensible any and all force is reasonable.The law may not see it that way but you/they will have survived and that's all that matters.

Sadly only insofar as to reduce the situation to less than life threatening, if you get out your gun and they say "fair enough sir we'll leave you to it" then anything beyond that would be disproportionate and you'd get done. Similarly if you get your gun and go downstairs to meet them a court may decide you went looking for trouble and could have holed up in your bedroom.

 

I'm not saying the above is right but reasonable force does have to be reasonable in the eyes of the law

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Last week one of my neighbours heard a noise outside at 1.30am and got up to find that his work van was being ransacked by 3 blokes with crowbars, he ran outside and they just said 'do yourself a favour mate and go back indoors' so he did and they carried on , he was completely powerless to do anything other than phone the police .

 

The Police turned up about half an hour later and took some details , he has to replace a load of expensive tools but he is still in one piece .

 

How tempting might it have been to go back indoors and then come out armed and see how much they fancied their chances , although I guess the Judge would say it was premeditated rather than self defence. Also you would only have 2 shots, so assume you manage a left and right on the first two you might have to take the third bloke on in unarmed combat.

 

I live in a fairly quiet pleasant village but the amount of vans that get emptied in the small hours of the morning is ridiculous, a friend of mine has now taken to parking his van in a secure location several miles away and commuting in a beaten up old car every morning to pick it up and go to work, crazy.

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if you came out with a gun they would run, and you would not have to use it,

Unfortunately this is a very dangerous thing to do. If you draw a weapon you must be prepared to use it and shoot to kill. If you turn out with a gun and they call your bluff, the weapon could be taken from you and used against you and subsequently others. There are lots of these scum who will stand up and not run. Out in America where this sort of scenario is relatively common the advice is to have a safe room and to hold up there until plod arrives or the bad guys try to get in to you at which juncture you have to use any sort of action to protect yourself and family. The downside of this is that the scum have got away with what they can.

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I thought that the law was changed a few years ago that reasonable force would be not taken as that which is reasonable at three pm in a courtroom, but that which is reasonable at 3am in your living room, with your eyes half shut and your minerals hanging out.

Honestly I don't think I'd go to the cabinet if i heard noises downstairs, too long to get keys and get it open. Dog would be going garritty, and there's all manner of sharp stuff all over the house, as I make and collect knives , so the axe handle I use to lever the bed up to Hoover under it, which I conveniently keep under the bed, would be first choice

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I nearly read one of these comments out to the wife the other day, but for once my brain engaged before my mouth?? Imagine telling her about someone waking up to find three blokes in your bedroom then saying off on nights now!!

 

I like to think I can handle myself and look after my family but in that situation other than doing a big, p o o, I cant imagine a good outcome.

 

Scary world out there

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