"Taking the knee" .

[daveboy]

19% of premier league footballers are black, when asked why this percentage was so high,

one of the TV commentators said "it's because they are employed for their skills"...

Shouldn't every job be like that?

[yates]

1 hour ago, Yellow Bear said:

Taking the knee whilst I disagree with it could, and I repeat could, be construed  as a sign of respect, but a clenched fist "salute" is blatant racism and should be stamped on as hard as any other similar "salute" regardless of colour.

The clenched fist is the black power and Malcolm X movement from the 60/70’s. I find this salute to be wholly racist but as I’m white I’m supposed to accept this

[Walker570]

Unfortunately the whole BLM deal has backfired on ordinary hard working people who happen to have been born with a non white skin colour.  I often have a young chap deliver parcels to me, he wears his turban with pride and is a credit to his creed.  Fortunately I am one who judges people by their deeds not what they look like.

Ordinary hard working humans like this young man may get the backlash from people less tolerant than me because of the idiots promoting this stuff.

[bottletopbill]

BLM But are they saying this about gang culture or what

[armsid]

So Hamilton is disrespecting his mother by  supporting BLM ? It should be All Lives Matter i doubt it the way its rammed down our throats.I have black friends who i have known for years and they are sick of it

[Newbie to this]

15 minutes ago, armsid said:

I have black friends who i have known for years and they are sick of it

That's probably because they are not racists 

[12gauge82]

Reading this thread confirms what I already know about this country which is that we are not a racist country, in fact far from it. However, ordinary people are sick and tired of being accused of all sorts of pc nonsense and I think the booing at the game proved it, people are simply sick and tired of being told they're intolerant and racist when they're not, the majority of working families are probably far too busy dealing with simply surviving and putting food on their table for their families to care what colour, religion, sex, sexual orientation, ect, ect anyone else is. 

[The Heron]

2 hours ago, Walker570 said:

Unfortunately the whole BLM deal has backfired on ordinary hard working people who happen to have been born with a non white skin colour.  I often have a young chap deliver parcels to me, he wears his turban with pride and is a credit to his creed.  Fortunately I am one who judges people by their deeds not what they look like.

Ordinary hard working humans like this young man may get the backlash from people less tolerant than me because of the idiots promoting this stuff.

+1

[Mice!]

43 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Reading this thread confirms what I already know about this country which is that we are not a racist country, in fact far from it. However, ordinary people are sick and tired of being accused of all sorts of pc nonsense and I think the booing at the game proved it, people are simply sick and tired of being told they're intolerant and racist when they're not, the majority of working families are probably far too busy dealing with simply surviving and putting food on their table for their families to care what colour, religion, sex, sexual orientation, ect, ect anyone else is. 

Probably right in a lot of cases.

Back in August Tony Morris died, he worked on Granada reports and had done for as long as I could remember,  you never thought oh he's  coloured,  he was just Tony and regularly did the news, when it was announced me and the wife both thought what a shame and then realised he hadn't been on for a while, he was just a fella doing his job with a big smile.

[oisin og]

I support the BLM protests.

Participants “take the knee”, I suspect, for a wide variety of reasons and in doing so draw attention to the issue of racism in a dignified and restrained fashion.

Those posters who characterise George Floyd as a “known criminal” are correct, insofar as he had a criminal record.

However, his life was brought to an end by the actions of a group of police officers, one of whom gratituously knelt on his neck for eight minutes while his life ebbed away and his colleagues looked on.

That he was a “known criminal” is irrelevant: is it right that anyone should lose their life at the hands of the police at the side of the road for alleged criminal conduct?

[oscarsdad]

10 minutes ago, oisin og said:

I support the BLM protests.

Participants “take the knee”, I suspect, for a wide variety of reasons and in doing so draw attention to the issue of racism in a dignified and restrained fashion.

Those posters who characterise George Floyd as a “known criminal” are correct, insofar as he had a criminal record.

However, his life was brought to an end by the actions of a group of police officers, one of whom gratituously knelt on his neck for eight minutes while his life ebbed away and his colleagues looked on.

That he was a “known criminal” is irrelevant: is it right that anyone should lose their life at the hands of the police at the side of the road for alleged criminal conduct?

Agreed, although he was a scumbag criminal, it isn’t right that in the US police killed him. 
 

similarly, it isn’t right that a Marxist cult jumped on the death of a criminal to brainwash naive people into thinking they were supporting an anti racism organisation, rather than a cult that wants to disband the keepers of law and order and close prisons. 

[12gauge82]

8 minutes ago, oisin og said:

I support the BLM protests.

Participants “take the knee”, I suspect, for a wide variety of reasons and in doing so draw attention to the issue of racism in a dignified and restrained fashion.

Those posters who characterise George Floyd as a “known criminal” are correct, insofar as he had a criminal record.

However, his life was brought to an end by the actions of a group of police officers, one of whom gratituously knelt on his neck for eight minutes while his life ebbed away and his colleagues looked on.

That he was a “known criminal” is irrelevant: is it right that anyone should lose their life at the hands of the police at the side of the road for alleged criminal conduct?

So do you think the UK is generally racist, also how do we know the officer that knelt on GFs kneck did it because of his colour?

[39TDS]

12 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

So do you think the UK is generally racist, also how do we know the officer that knelt on GFs kneck did it because of his colour?

He probably did it because he knew him rather than his colour. (he did know him)

Taking the knee is bullying imo and no better than what they are supposedly objecting to.

[Benthejockey]

1 hour ago, oisin og said:

I support the BLM protests.

Participants “take the knee”, I suspect, for a wide variety of reasons and in doing so draw attention to the issue of racism in a dignified and restrained fashion.

Those posters who characterise George Floyd as a “known criminal” are correct, insofar as he had a criminal record.

However, his life was brought to an end by the actions of a group of police officers, one of whom gratituously knelt on his neck for eight minutes while his life ebbed away and his colleagues looked on.

That he was a “known criminal” is irrelevant: is it right that anyone should lose their life at the hands of the police at the side of the road for alleged criminal conduct?

A group of police officers so racially diverse it was like an old time English man, an Irish man and Scotsman joke get over zealous with a scumbag known for violence including holding pregnant women at gunpoint and numerous drug related naughties. They're all complicit in the blokes death. They should be dealt with appropriately because even though he was a career degenerate he was still a living breathing person. Good enough. Whether the bloke was black, white, pink or blue doesn't make one iota of difference. He wasn't killed for being black. His colour never came into it. He was likely known to these policemen who's on the balance of probability thought he was up to no good and one decided to behave inappropriately which unfortunately shuffled him off this mortal coil. 

How many people on here can honestly say they can walk down a street in a local town and not judge people - hes a druggie, she looks dodgy, hands in my pockets i don't want them to pinch my wallet. I do. When I have to go to Shrewsbury I can walk down Wyle Cop and judge 50 people based on their demeanour and the way they're dressed before I even notice what colour their skin. I don't know those people but I make a value judgement rightly or wrongly. What those policemen did was wrong legally and ethically. Morally...someone thats happy to peddle drugs to kids and rob pregnant women at gun point and commit heinous acts of violence...well that's for your own moral compass to decide.

I'm not racist in the least. I take everyone as I find them irrespective of race, colour or creed. If you're alright with me I'm alright with you, if I think you're a boat anchor ⚓ then I'm happy to expedite you're removal from my company.

We aren't a racist country, there's the odd distasteful joke banded about but then you're more likely to be the butt of a joke if you're Welsh or Irish than if you're black. 

BLM has nothing to do with equality and everything to do with antifacist, antiestablishment, anti everything pillocks.

[Saltings]

7 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

Reading this thread confirms what I already know about this country which is that we are not a racist country, in fact far from it. However, ordinary people are sick and tired of being accused of all sorts of pc nonsense and I think the booing at the game proved it, people are simply sick and tired of being told they're intolerant and racist when they're not, the majority of working families are probably far too busy dealing with simply surviving and putting food on their table for their families to care what colour, religion, sex, sexual orientation, ect, ect anyone else is. 

being irish  dont  care where your come from or color     have been the brunt of racist ****   taking our jobs  etc my answer i cant drive a car if your already in the seat so **** off            also in the least 30+ years  i have been working in many environments in the building game along side other races everyone got on well and helped each other  out       house painting  parties  every week end   its a thing we done         with food to boot from just about any culture      stunning   grub    bbq  etc     pit cooked   goat   curries     roasts    stews    hog roasts     jerked chicken or fish    gammon and cabbage       + fixings   food from all nationalities as mother would cook            food talks   vegetarian a one year wonder              again food talks   good friends good food    from all   nationalities    and still do til this day            as management had one chave who the world was against  thick as ****           you get it            slapped and put to work with the biggest bloke on the job  we called him huggee bear  he wouldnt hurt a fly      huge   i mean huge             chave with a chip on his shoulder   never challenged him and learned his craft  and respected the big guy   turned out good          mixed race he brought jerked chicken to the mix to die for   40 butch blokes  of all nationalities  painting his grandmas house  and  the girls helping out  with food      and tell a 20yr old the best food  ever   and one of the team   a beaming smile  the simple things break barriers              food      oh and help tidy up after  means you can come again              i cant tell you the meals i have shared       worst  or best  one was Greek  restaurant at southam on the daventry rd   bring me grandmas cooking         not menu     chef did you enjoy  that      yes  beautiful  better than menu        ouzo until stupid o clock lost two days of my life       good food breaks all barriers     i will eat anything if home cooked   

sometimes its the best they can afford      chitins  or beef dipping  sup it up  been there done that  1/2 a mile   down the road upchuck 

my friends of all races inc me would never kneel  i dont concider myself as racist  i have been at the nasty end  for many  years   irish    i see ignorance  spitefull  ******** always blaming someone else  lazy    who do nothing to improve their lives   colour is a get out clause to blame others   i have offered jobs to many  who blamed me with good dollar never got out of bed  next weekend in the pub opened their mouth was SHUT    fast lazy ********  i can only say as i find               others blame everyone  some  aspire    despite home life     i did  i wanted better couldnt read or right left school early to provide for siblings as oldest    but wanted better        bight me            all is not as it seems     lazy ******** find a reason not to work  i worhed from 14teen as a cabinet maker   and am good with a piece of timber furniture or a gun stock  or a dining set  also a crib or coffin and all else in between   i have built   i am good with my hands not soo good with a pen  

Edited December 7, 2020 by Saltings

[12gauge82]

4 hours ago, Saltings said:

being irish  dont  care where your come from or color     have been the brunt of racist ****   taking our jobs  etc my answer i cant drive a car if your already in the seat so **** off            also in the least 30+ years  i have been working in many environments in the building game along side other races everyone got on well and helped each other  out       house painting  parties  every week end   its a thing we done         with food to boot from just about any culture      stunning   grub    bbq  etc     pit cooked   goat   curries     roasts    stews    hog roasts     jerked chicken or fish    gammon and cabbage       + fixings   food from all nationalities as mother would cook            food talks   vegetarian a one year wonder              again food talks   good friends good food    from all   nationalities    and still do til this day            as management had one chave who the world was against  thick as ****           you get it            slapped and put to work with the biggest bloke on the job  we called him huggee bear  he wouldnt hurt a fly      huge   i mean huge             chave with a chip on his shoulder   never challenged him and learned his craft  and respected the big guy   turned out good          mixed race he brought jerked chicken to the mix to die for   40 butch blokes  of all nationalities  painting his grandmas house  and  the girls helping out  with food      and tell a 20yr old the best food  ever   and one of the team   a beaming smile  the simple things break barriers              food      oh and help tidy up after  means you can come again              i cant tell you the meals i have shared       worst  or best  one was Greek  restaurant at southam on the daventry rd   bring me grandmas cooking         not menu     chef did you enjoy  that      yes  beautiful  better than menu        ouzo until stupid o clock lost two days of my life       good food breaks all barriers     i will eat anything if home cooked   

sometimes its the best they can afford      chitins  or beef dipping  sup it up  been there done that  1/2 a mile   down the road upchuck 

my friends of all races inc me would never kneel  i dont concider myself as racist  i have been at the nasty end  for many  years   irish    i see ignorance  spitefull  ******** always blaming someone else  lazy    who do nothing to improve their lives   colour is a get out clause to blame others   i have offered jobs to many  who blamed me with good dollar never got out of bed  next weekend in the pub opened their mouth was SHUT    fast lazy ********  i can only say as i find               others blame everyone  some  aspire    despite home life     i did  i wanted better couldnt read or right left school early to provide for siblings as oldest    but wanted better        bight me            all is not as it seems     lazy ******** find a reason not to work  i worhed from 14teen as a cabinet maker   and am good with a piece of timber furniture or a gun stock  or a dining set  also a crib or coffin and all else in between   i have built   i am good with my hands not soo good with a pen  

I completely agree with you.

Not only are we not a racist country, but the vast majority of pf people wouldn't stand for it if they saw it, which leads to the question, what is BLM agenda, at least in the UK anyway. 

[Rim Fire]

22 hours ago, walshie said:

If someone has the right to show their support for something, others have the right to show their disapproval. 

Walshie that is exactly what i said to my misses and guess what that was wrong 

[walshie]

7 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

Walshie that is exactly what i said to my misses and guess what that was wrong 

[Raja Clavata]

I really do LOL when I hear people say we're not a racist country and, in some cases, when people say that they themselves are not racist - I'm not projecting that on anybody here per se but reflecting on recurring experiences in real life with people known to me.

Also, racism is a little more complicated than trying to boil it down to a binary yes / no.

[P08]

Im wondering if players at a football match take the knee, do some of them say it's best I do it, or I could be branded raciast. It's now the fear factor, what you say, do,

[Yellow Bear]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

I really do LOL when I hear people say we're not a racist country and, in some cases, when people say that they themselves are not racist - I'm not projecting that on anybody here per se but reflecting on recurring experiences in real life with people known to me.

Also, racism is a little more complicated than trying to boil it down to a binary yes / no.

What you say is perfectly true since, to a degree, Everyone is racist and some of the worst offenders are those perpetually claiming to be victims. 

Also, whether you want to believe  it or not, I consider a lot of the "reported/recorded" racism may well be people playing the racist card to gain advantage.

[Raja Clavata]

2 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

What you say is perfectly true since, to a degree, Everyone is racist and some of the worst offenders are those perpetually claiming to be victims. 

Also, whether you want to believe  it or not, I consider a lot of the "reported/recorded" racism may well be people playing the racist card to gain advantage.

I'd agree with that, some play the card in a win win situation for them but it's narrow minded thinking in my opinion - it gives them the safety net of external blame in the case of failure (it happened because I'm ...) and a greater sense of "victory" in the case of success (it happened despite the fact I'm ...).

Narrow mindedness whatever way you look at it... Oh, and it's not just used in relation to ethnicity either.

[yates]

47 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I'd agree with that, some play the card in a win win situation for them but it's narrow minded thinking in my opinion - it gives them the safety net of external blame in the case of failure (it happened because I'm ...) and a greater sense of "victory" in the case of success (it happened despite the fact I'm ...).

Narrow mindedness whatever way you look at it... Oh, and it's not just used in relation to ethnicity either.

Couldn’t agree more with the last couple of post everyone has some degree of racism in them. Colour or ethnicity is irrelevant. Most people want to be with their own kind,  it’s a normal thing. Just accept that this is how we all are and life/work alongside each other. 

[JohnfromUK]

6 minutes ago, yates said:

Most people want to be with their own kind,  it’s a normal thing. Just accept that this is how we all are and life/work alongside each other.

Totally agree - and it isn't racism - which is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual".  I tend to socialise with people who share interests etc., because we have things in common to talk about.  It would not matter what colour/race/gender/sexuality they were; but I doubt we would remain talking for long or become firm friends if we had no common interest about which to talk, or we held strongly opposed views on something (e.g. I cannot ever see me becoming friendly with someone in Animal Rights!)

On a different note, some sense from one of our prominent MPs.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9025567/Black-Foreign-Office-minister-James-Cleverly-says-Taking-knee-not-BLM-row.html

 

[Yellow Bear]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

Oh, and it's not just used in relation to ethnicity either.

Amen to that.