oldypigeonpopper Posted December 16, 2021 Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 Hello, well since Simon put up the Post in October we've had a few more thousand cross the channel, aided by the French government , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 16, 2021 Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 11 hours ago, henry d said: The UN Refugee Convention also recognises people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means to escape and claim asylum in another country, and they cannot be penalised for doing so. So they are escaping France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted December 16, 2021 Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Newbie to this said: So they are escaping France Wouldn't you 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted December 16, 2021 Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 25 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: So they are escaping France It's far easier for the rest of the world to get out, than it is for Brits to get in come Saturday. Suppose that's the price of punishment for having the audacity to leave the Eutopia of the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 16, 2021 Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 Quote EDIT- Forgot to say, it is not illegal to enter the UK in the way they have as it is the only option available to them, the traffickers are another matter Rubbish. It is illegal if they know they don't fit the criteria for asylum. As they are economic migrants, they know full well. Hence they destroy ID paperwork. It is not the only option. They could settle elsewhere. They could return to their own country. As for failed appeals. What percentage apply for asylum and what percentage disappear into the ether? Naive doesn't quite hack it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, well since Simon put up the Post in October we've had a few more thousand cross the channel, aided by the French government , well....it seems it is slowing down now ...only 600 odd today...and toboot they are flouting the covid-19 rules....proberly trying to get here before the xmas rush and lockdown...so they can get some shopping in at currys PC world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 16, 2021 Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 I put it to m'lords that disposing of one's passport or other identifying documentation doesn't rank as the actions of a legitimate refugee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted December 16, 2021 Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 59 minutes ago, ditchman said: well....it seems it is slowing down now ...only 600 odd today...and toboot they are flouting the covid-19 rules....proberly trying to get here before the xmas rush and lockdown...so they can get some shopping in at currys PC world Hello, yes and Macrons banned anyone going back including legitimate travellers, with Passports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Gordon R said: Rubbish. It is illegal if they know they don't fit the criteria for asylum. As they are economic migrants, they know full well. Hence they destroy ID paperwork. It is not the only option. They could settle elsewhere. They could return to their own country. As for failed appeals. What percentage apply for asylum and what percentage disappear into the ether? Naive doesn't quite hack it. Spot on Gordon, henry simply does not want to see what is right in front of him. At the end of the day, not one single person has fled a threat to their life in a dingy, so out of 25 thousand or so who have arrived on our shores this year, should be classed as a genuine refugee, even if the law says they are, it should be changed. France is not a war torn country or and that's the end of any credible argument from Mr D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 18 hours ago, TRINITY said: Just a point. I was abroad recently when the travel rules changed. I was informed it was illegal for me to return to the UK without proof of a negative lateral flow test less than 48 hrs before departure. Completion of a on line travel document. Purchase of a PCR to be made in UK before my departure. Even if I got around these rules and managed to get back. I would commit an offence and face considerable fines. One law for law abiding UK citizens and no rules for others. Interestingly my partners nephew arrived into Gatwick Airport yesterday from Dubai, coming home for Christmas. Although he has had the tests etc before he took off nobody checked properly before he boarded. When he arrived here he was allowed to walk out of the airport completely unchecked. As were all the other people on his plane and presumably all the other planes. The airport was very busy and the arrivals Hall was packed You really couldn't make it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 Over 900 in two days. If all attempts were made successfully, the Total would be 1600 that’s a lot for winter. On Thursday (16 Dec) UK authorities have had to rescue or intercept 559 people from 19 events. On Thursday (16 Dec) French authorities have so far intercepted and prevented at least 247 people from 9 events from reaching the UK. On Friday (17 Dec) UK authorities have had to rescue or intercept 358 people from 10 events. On Friday (17 Dec) French authorities have so far intercepted and prevented at least 317 people from 11 events from reaching the UK (3 of these events occurred on 16 December but were reported to the UK authorities yesterday). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 11 hours ago, Rewulf said: Over 900 in two days. If all attempts were made successfully, the Total would be 1600 that’s a lot for winter. On Thursday (16 Dec) UK authorities have had to rescue or intercept 559 people from 19 events. On Thursday (16 Dec) French authorities have so far intercepted and prevented at least 247 people from 9 events from reaching the UK. On Friday (17 Dec) UK authorities have had to rescue or intercept 358 people from 10 events. On Friday (17 Dec) French authorities have so far intercepted and prevented at least 317 people from 11 events from reaching the UK (3 of these events occurred on 16 December but were reported to the UK authorities yesterday). All these events , on a daily basis boats called out from different Kent towns and villages. What happens when a UK trawler or small fishing boat gets into trouble there is no rescue vessel available , there all on taxi service .can see why the local fishermen are up in arms with all of this . Wonder how much money these charities will loose out of , people are fed up .nothing happening . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, johnphilip said: All these events , on a daily basis boats called out from different Kent towns and villages. What happens when a UK trawler or small fishing boat gets into trouble there is no rescue vessel available , there all on taxi service .can see why the local fishermen are up in arms with all of this . Wonder how much money these charities will loose out of , people are fed up .nothing happening . I've noticed the rnli on TV adverts lately begging for money as their funding has obviously taken a big hit. I've donated in the past and won't be going forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I've noticed the rnli on TV adverts lately begging for money as their funding has obviously taken a big hit. I've donated in the past and won't be going forwards. Very sadly that's me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I've noticed the rnli on TV adverts lately begging for money as their funding has obviously taken a big hit. I've donated in the past and won't be going forwards. They have the 'rock and a hard place' problem. If they didn't assist people in trouble on the seas .......... they will get slated and loose donors from the 'more liberal - welcome all comers' brigade. If they do assist they have to bring the assisted back to the UK (cannot return them to France) - and get criticised and loose donors from the 'more hawkish - can't have people just making their own way in because they feel like it' brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 I have donated to the RNLI since I bought my first boat over 50 years ago. But I too have stopped giving money since they became a taxi service for migrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 43 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: they do assist they have to bring the assisted back to the UK (cannot return them to France) - and get criticised and loose donors from the 'more hawkish - can't have people just making their own way in because they feel like it' brigade. The main issue is the volume, especially seeing as it's winter. Can you imagine how popular this route will become when it gets warmer? This issue needs sealing , it's unsustainable, and stopping it is going to require some drastic action, at the moment it would be cheaper all round just giving them a Eurostar ticket, and copping the traffickers fee off them when they get off the train. As far as the rnli goes , they are going to suffer financially for sure , but I wonder if the French version has the same problem ? I doubt it very much.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rewulf said: The main issue is the volume, especially seeing as it's winter. Can you imagine how popular this route will become when it gets warmer? This issue needs sealing , it's unsustainable, and stopping it is going to require some drastic action, at the moment it would be cheaper all round just giving them a Eurostar ticket, and copping the traffickers fee off them when they get off the train. As far as the rnli goes , they are going to suffer financially for sure , but I wonder if the French version has the same problem ? I doubt it very much.... I don't even know if there is a French charity one? I don't disagree with anything you say, but it is (in my view) 'a rock and a hard place' for the RNLI - who cannot of course solve the problem - and their volunteers (who are usually all from seafaring families) will not let people drown when they can be saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said: They have the 'rock and a hard place' problem. If they didn't assist people in trouble on the seas .......... they will get slated and loose donors from the 'more liberal - welcome all comers' brigade. If they do assist they have to bring the assisted back to the UK (cannot return them to France) - and get criticised and loose donors from the 'more hawkish - can't have people just making their own way in because they feel like it' brigade. I appreciate your opinion also the view of the RNLI John. I decided to give my support to Medecins sans Frontieres instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: They have the 'rock and a hard place' problem. If they didn't assist people in trouble on the seas .......... they will get slated and loose donors from the 'more liberal - welcome all comers' brigade. If they do assist they have to bring the assisted back to the UK (cannot return them to France) - and get criticised and loose donors from the 'more hawkish - can't have people just making their own way in because they feel like it' brigade. I get that but I firmly believe if these people didn't make it here via this route dinghys would be a problem of the past and the way it's going my donation will simply be used to help an illegal migrant arrive on our shores whilst someone in need through no fault of their own will probably drown while they're being an illegal taxi service. At the end of the day it's my donation and I don't believe they are a just cause anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 I've been a donator to the RNLI for over twenty years , but I cancelled my direct debit about three months ago . I'll be honest , I didn't(and still dont) feel good about myself for cancelling it , but I just can't be part of what's happening at the moment. Bitter real life experience tells me that as RNLI reserves are used up on immigrant ferrying , finances will be drawn from elsewhere, and used to ferry in illegal immigrants, as other souls are left to perish at sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: who are usually all from seafaring families) will not let people drown when they can be saved Of course not. But its the definition, most of the time these boats call the UK coastguard when they are on route and still on the French side of the channel. By the time the rnli meets them, they are in British waters, and still not in trouble per se. It just makes a mockery of the lifeboats cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 I’m a fairly simple bloke and in the good old days we blockaded the channel/French ports pretty well. Surely in this day and age a few grey boats and a flotilla of rm/navy crewed rigid raiders would be sufficient to turn the hordes back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, spanj said: I’m a fairly simple bloke and in the good old days we blockaded the channel/French ports pretty well. Surely in this day and age a few grey boats and a flotilla of rm/navy crewed rigid raiders would be sufficient to turn the hordes back to do that we would need to be in french waters......and if we were they would view that as yet another invasion...from those damned "roast beefs"...........perhaps we ought to nab Macron and Truss him up (see what i did there)....and send him off to the isle of Elba for some gardening leave with his granny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, ditchman said: to do that we would need to be in french waters......and if we were they would view that as yet another invasion...from those damned "roast beefs"...........perhaps we ought to nab Macron and Truss him up (see what i did there)....and send him off to the isle of Elba for some gardening leave with his granny I'm afraid the "Rosbifs" of old are now viewed as a childrens plaything (dummy) thanks to our weak politicos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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