Scully Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 What happened to it? I’m referring specifically to the governments latest campaign to stop folk smoking. Why this incessant interference in the lives of others? Why shouldn’t folk be allowed to smoke if that’s what they choose to do? We have some insistent on telling us what we should/shouldn’t be eating or drinking. Others are insistent on telling us what we should/shouldn’t be driving. People can’t even choose to die how and when they want? What is wrong with people? Why can’t EVERYONE just get on with their own life and stop interfering in that of others! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 all down to money....power...and control............there are pressure groups everywhere...these groups are staffed by useless low grade waisters/...and the only way they can feel if they are someone is to meddle in peoples lives.....they choose causes that there is poor repost and capitalise on it....use their gained contacts in politics...who see it as vote catching ............... and there is very little we can do about it........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 Scully old chap, did you miss the last two years? Polling has consistently shown -whether you believe it is another question - that those with more libertarian tendencies, are in a minority in this country. People for the most part actively want the state to take a role in managing their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: People for the most part actively want the state to take a role in managing their lives. Or that is what the MSM are telling us we want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 See and there was me thinking that I could identify as a pregnant female smoker and claim 400 quid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 51 minutes ago, Scully said: What happened to it? I’m referring specifically to the governments latest campaign to stop folk smoking. Why this incessant interference in the lives of others? Why shouldn’t folk be allowed to smoke if that’s what they choose to do? We have some insistent on telling us what we should/shouldn’t be eating or drinking. Others are insistent on telling us what we should/shouldn’t be driving. People can’t even choose to die how and when they want? What is wrong with people? Why can’t EVERYONE just get on with their own life and stop interfering in that of others! Because it's easier than dealing with the real problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 I agree to a certain extent, but I would see compulsory wearing off seatbelts for example a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 indeed money, as smoking probably costs the NHS a fortune, however my observation is it has declined a lot in the U.K. probably due to the cost of a packet of cigarettes, visit countries where they are cheap and by comparison everyone looks to smoke. But do agree, live and let live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Scully said: What happened to it? I’m referring specifically to the governments latest campaign to stop folk smoking. Why this incessant interference in the lives of others? Why shouldn’t folk be allowed to smoke if that’s what they choose to do? We have some insistent on telling us what we should/shouldn’t be eating or drinking. Others are insistent on telling us what we should/shouldn’t be driving. People can’t even choose to die how and when they want? What is wrong with people? Why can’t EVERYONE just get on with their own life and stop interfering in that of others! Well said Sir ! You missed out those that don't want us all to die from lead poisoning though, all but the Water Companies that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 minute ago, rbrowning2 said: indeed money, as smoking probably costs the NHS a fortune, however my observation is it has declined a lot in the U.K. probably due to the cost of a packet of cigarettes, visit countries where they are cheap and by comparison everyone looks to smoke. But do agree, live and let live. Yes, I agree much of it’s down to money, but in this case the hypocrisy always jars on me, as the same policy never seems to apply to alcohol. If it’s down to NHS financial burdens then I’m pretty sure alcohol will be up there with cigarettes by comparison. The role of governments in my opinion is to only interfere in the lives of those who break laws, and for the remainder of the time to mind their own business. I wouldn’t mind, but when they introduced the smoking ban, exemptions were made for ( amongst other places and occasions ) palaces, and as chance 🤔 would have it, Westminster is a palace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Scully old chap, did you miss the last two years? Polling has consistently shown -whether you believe it is another question - that those with more libertarian tendencies, are in a minority in this country. People for the most part actively want the state to take a role in managing their lives. I wouldn't believe that everyone I know is sick to the back teeth with every aspect of their life being interfered with negatively by this horrendous Govt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 hour ago, rbrowning2 said: indeed money, as smoking probably costs the NHS a fortune, however my observation is it has declined a lot in the U.K. probably due to the cost of a packet of cigarettes, visit countries where they are cheap and by comparison everyone looks to smoke. But do agree, live and let live. This is an example of poor accounting. It may cost the NHS more but this has to be offset by the tax generated and the pension costs saved rather than looking at one departments budget. If we apply the principle we should health tax faster cars, sugar, fast food, alcohol, adventure sports and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 hour ago, oowee said: This is an example of poor accounting. It may cost the NHS more but this has to be offset by the tax generated and the pension costs saved rather than looking at one departments budget. If we apply the principle we should health tax faster cars, sugar, fast food, alcohol, adventure sports and so on. Please don’t give them ideas 🤦🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted April 11, 2023 Report Share Posted April 11, 2023 Think this was introduced in the uk in 76 by the then Government so catering to the minorities ls not a new thing If you ride a motorcycle on the road in the UK, by law you have to wear an approved crash helmet. Unless, that is, you're a member of the Sikh religion, in which case you're exempt—provided you wear a turban. If however you're not a practicing Sikh, like other motorcyclists you must wear a crash helmet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 7 hours ago, AULD YIN said: Think this was introduced in the uk in 76 by the then Government so catering to the minorities ls not a new thing If you ride a motorcycle on the road in the UK, by law you have to wear an approved crash helmet. Unless, that is, you're a member of the Sikh religion, in which case you're exempt—provided you wear a turban. If however you're not a practicing Sikh, like other motorcyclists you must wear a crash helmet. Yes, the start of our two tier society, and IMHO our downfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 The helmet regulation came into force on June 1st 1973. I did not personally feel oppressed by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 12 hours ago, Scully said: Yes, I agree much of it’s down to money, but in this case the hypocrisy always jars on me, as the same policy never seems to apply to alcohol. If it’s down to NHS financial burdens then I’m pretty sure alcohol will be up there with cigarettes by comparison. The role of governments in my opinion is to only interfere in the lives of those who break laws, and for the remainder of the time to mind their own business. I wouldn’t mind, but when they introduced the smoking ban, exemptions were made for ( amongst other places and occasions ) palaces, and as chance 🤔 would have it, Westminster is a palace! I'm sure that alcoholics can register and get funding for their addiction , this funding comes from the NHS pot! same as the daily dose of drugs that addicts get in the side room of the chemist whilst the upstanding are waiting to be served ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 13 hours ago, Scully said: The role of governments in my opinion is to only interfere in the lives of those who break laws, and for the remainder of the time to mind their own business. Small government tasked with the basics. Not the seven headed hydra that it has grown into nowadays 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 I have never been a smoker. But I can't see anything wrong in persuading someone to stop something that is definitely bad for them, and those around them. When smoking was allowed in pubs there was nothing worse than someone coming to join you and blowing smoke all over you as soon as they came along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) Hello, now and again I like a cigar with a nice cup of coffee 👍 not to much to ask, 🤔, I've seen quite a few hospital staff have a sneaky fag when I visit the Churchill hospital in Oxford 🤔, I put it down to stress of the job 🤔 Edited April 12, 2023 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 I have to agree with less interference, but on the other side of the coin, you could argue what about drugs? Why can’t they all legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratlegs Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 I was told sixty odd years ago not to look at certain magazines, or I would go blind can still see to type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 34 minutes ago, muncher said: I have to agree with less interference, but on the other side of the coin, you could argue what about drugs? Why can’t they all legal. Portland has gone soft on drugs - as well as other crimes - you should see the state of it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 On 12/04/2023 at 11:42, 30-6 said: I have never been a smoker. But I can't see anything wrong in persuading someone to stop something that is definitely bad for them, and those around them. When smoking was allowed in pubs there was nothing worse than someone coming to join you and blowing smoke all over you as soon as they came along. I agree with the ban on smoking inside, because it affected others, but it’s gone beyond ‘persuading’ now. On 11/04/2023 at 21:47, oowee said: This is an example of poor accounting. It may cost the NHS more but this has to be offset by the tax generated and the pension costs saved rather than looking at one departments budget. If we apply the principle we should health tax faster cars, sugar, fast food, alcohol, adventure sports and so on. Quite. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted April 14, 2023 Report Share Posted April 14, 2023 On 11/04/2023 at 18:35, Scully said: What happened to it? I’m referring specifically to the governments latest campaign to stop folk smoking. Why this incessant interference in the lives of others? Why shouldn’t folk be allowed to smoke if that’s what they choose to do? We have some insistent on telling us what we should/shouldn’t be eating or drinking. Others are insistent on telling us what we should/shouldn’t be driving. People can’t even choose to die how and when they want? What is wrong with people? Why can’t EVERYONE just get on with their own life and stop interfering in that of others! Sadly, this maybe a poor indicator of the restrictive carp to follow. The body blows of energy costs and a raped economy softened the plebs up for the next installments? Possibly starting with the removal of most cash from mainstream? To think our forefathers fought and died to allow the propagation of these attitudes is a bit of a sickner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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