TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) What a terrible thing to happen, how must he be feeling now? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/22/alec-baldwin-fatally-shoots-cinematographer-wit-prop-gun-on-set Someone didn't check everything quite as closely as he should, I should think the Film Armourer will be feeling pretty awful too. Edited October 22, 2021 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 Aye, it's all over the TV this morning, a prop gun miss firing apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Centrepin said: Aye, it's all over the TV this morning, a prop gun miss firing apparently. The odd thing is it apparently happened twice! One dead and one injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhastings Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 I am confused surely with a prop gun dont you just fire blanks or some thing to just go bang where does live ammo even come into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 Not like it hasn't happened before , sounds like a similar thing to how Brandon Lee died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 57 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: The odd thing is it apparently happened twice! One dead and one injured. Just hearing one the one injured was stood behind the one killed. Sounds like live ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) I can't understand why he was pointing and firing a blank gun at those particular people. Edited October 22, 2021 by toontastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 Probably filmed shooting straight at the camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 That does make things a bit clearer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 Is there a possibility of a blocked barrel causing this? Barrel blows up sending shrapnel towards them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 Could be of course but no use speculating with so little information. Was the gun a pistol or rifle . Be interesting when the full details are known. Still a terrible thing to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 Not the first, that’s for sure. Incidents in the past have occurred from those placing the barrel against a temple, the percussive force coupled with any wadding or cardboard disc is enough to inflict trauma. We in the Uk tend to think of blank firing guns as having an obstructive barrel and gas discharge port located elsewhere. Whereas these are real firearms loaded with blanks. Why do you think the mill has blank firing adapter- helps to mitigate this or the accidental insertion of a live round. Accidents happen unfortunately and we do not have enough information on this one. Condolences to all involved and family members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 Brandon Lee was killed when a previous round jammed and the next blank threw it out of the barrel - The guns need to be open ended to show the discharge as realistically as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Fatcatsplat said: Brandon Lee was killed when a previous round jammed and the next blank threw it out of the barrel - The guns need to be open ended to show the discharge as realistically as possible Yep this is my guess. Dummy ammo that gets used alot and the bullet dislodges getting stuck in the barrel, firearm gets put away for a period of time. It's later bought out and loaded with blanks, not knowing there's a projectile lodged in the barrel, actor pulls the trigger and we know the rest. Absolutely tragic, awful for all involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Fatcatsplat said: Brandon Lee was killed when a previous round jammed and the next blank threw it out of the barrel - The guns need to be open ended to show the discharge as realistically as possible Not quite. Previously the S&W had been loaded with ‘dummy’ rounds - except the dummy who did so, didnt remove the primer and so the bullet was subsequently lodged in the barrel as the actor made out to shoot Lee in the scene. The revolver was not checked for any obstructions! These ‘dummies’ were needed for a certain angle and show the cylinder with ‘rounds’ in and not an empty revolver- cinematography. For a later ‘take’ , the dummies were replaced with blanks which would then give the correct muzzle flash- well, we know what happened next. For authenticity they needed the flash and the look of a full cylinder. In the last few years they have been using cgi to portray this, but it looks too ‘artificial’. Edited October 22, 2021 by Jaymo Spelling, grammar and as usual- I don’t make sense :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jaymo said: Not quite. Previously the S&W had been loaded with ‘dummy’ rounds - except the dummy who did so, didnt remove the primer and so the bullet was subsequently lodged in the barrel. These ‘dummies’ were needed to protest a certain angle and show the cylinder with ‘rounds’ in and not an empty revolver. For a later ‘take’ , the dummies were replaced with blanks which would then give the correct muzzle flash- well, we know what happened next. For authenticity they needed the flash and the look of a full cylinder. In the last few years they have been using cgi to portray this, bit it looks too ‘artificial’. Cheers for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 I hope he is treaded the same as everyone else who had killed by a negligent discharge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 BBC News now reporting a "live" round was in the gun and it was handed to Baldwin by the assistant director and it was stated it was a "Cold" gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 Reported on news this morning some of the set walked off in the week having concerns of safety also live rounds was being used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 Yes just seen live rounds reported. I just cant see any reasons why live rounds should be anywhere near a film set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 8 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: I hope he is treaded the same as everyone else who had killed by a negligent discharge. We don't know who's been negligent yet - if anyone. These days sets involving weapons have trained professionals whose sole responsibility is the firearms, even down to plastic imitations. They are there to stop amateurs shouldering responsibilities they're not qualified to take. Their word should be immutable and so when someone's handed a 'cold gun' they are the ones taking the responsibility to make sure it is, not the actor who might not know anything about what the chamber and rounds should look like - or if one of the rounds looks faulty, for example. Until we know more, we can't say who's to blame. The terrible coincidence is that this all happened on the set of a film based on the premise of an accidental shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 sounds like unqualified stupidity for this to happen..........be interesting to wait for the reason to come out........beggars belief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 45 minutes ago, TRINITY said: Yes just seen live rounds reported. I just cant see any reasons why live rounds should be anywhere near a film set. I'm with you here, I just can't fathom why live rounds would be anywhere near a film set, where blanks or dummy rounds are being used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 If the reports are correct, it seems that it was the third 'accidental discharge' in a few days on this film. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10122791/Why-gun-Alec-Baldwin-movie-set-loaded-live-ammo-Mystery-deadly-chain-events.html The gun pictured in the above link is in fact a percussion (i.e. muzzle loaded) weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 23, 2021 Report Share Posted October 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: If the reports are correct, it seems that it was the third 'accidental discharge' in a few days on this film. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10122791/Why-gun-Alec-Baldwin-movie-set-loaded-live-ammo-Mystery-deadly-chain-events.html The gun pictured in the above link is in fact a percussion (i.e. muzzle loaded) weapon. And a fancy one at that! But you can expect reporters to ba able to get their facts right! I read somewhere that it could have been a case of murder by proxy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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