Mice! Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 57 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: am not 'anti Farage' but one man can't form a government - and it is not clear at all who the others would be. Maybe he can find suitable candidates and form a credible 'team' - but his record there is not good ........ His candidates are usually other ex MPs that have been kicked out of their party, so failures. 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: Agreed, however, there was no one else in a position at the time, at least farage would sort out the big issues, possibly doing very well as a pm as well, and if not we could vote a different government in after those issues were solved to lead the country forwards. We've voted far, far worse in many times, why not give him a go? Which big issues do you think Farage would sort? We'd like to think he'd sort the daily arrivals of illegal immigrants but I somehow doubt it, and after that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockySpears Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 12 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said: Anyone remember Boris's 60% infection for Herd Immunity, we must be way past that with everyone who has had it or been jabbed or both. Officially we passed 95% +, a month ago: "An estimated 95.3% of the adult population in England, 93.9% in Wales, 91.6% in Northern Ireland and 95.0% in Scotland tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies in the week beginning 15 November 2021." https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/antibodies So says the ONS Yours, RS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 Quote Which big issues do you think Farage would sort? Yeah. Right so would fellowUKIP MEP the odious Miss Widdecombe return to the Home Office? As my mother said "What on earth does a seventy year old virgin, who's never even had a kerfuffle in a henhouse had know of life?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 7 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: Because he doesn't have a party to form a Government, doesn't have close running mates/colleagues to fill the Minister posts and cabinet ....... and (as I have said before) is basically a 'one man band'. I am not 'anti Farage' but one man can't form a government - and it is not clear at all who the others would be. Maybe he can find suitable candidates and form a credible 'team' - but his record there is not good ........ I agree to an extent but I believe the main reason so far is he doesn't want to, but I believe that will change if the cons don't do what the general public want. Farage is like the boogy man that gets wheelled out to hold the government to account. I'll be giving the reform party my vote, or anything under Farage at the next election if Boris doesn't get a grip, he did the bear minimum exceptable to deliver a palatable brexit, but he's now allowing France to walk all over us, Northern Island to be annexed, migrants to arrive at will and is acting like Labour with his climate policy's and Covid laws. 6 hours ago, Mice! said: His candidates are usually other ex MPs that have been kicked out of their party, so failures. Which big issues do you think Farage would sort? We'd like to think he'd sort the daily arrivals of illegal immigrants but I somehow doubt it, and after that?? Read above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: I agree to an extent but I believe the main reason so far is he doesn't want to, but I believe that will change if the cons don't do what the general public want. Farage is like the boogy man that gets wheelled out to hold the government to account. I'll be giving the reform party my vote, or anything under Farage at the next election if Boris doesn't get a grip, he did the bear minimum exceptable to deliver a palatable brexit, but he's now allowing France to walk all over us, Northern Island to be annexed, migrants to arrive at will and is acting like Labour with his climate policy's and Covid laws. Read above. He won't want to because it's easy to stand on the side lines heckling, far harder to take charge and achieve something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mice! said: because it's easy to stand on the side lines heckling, far harder to take charge and achieve something. That is VERY true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 46 minutes ago, Mice! said: He won't want to because it's easy to stand on the side lines heckling, far harder to take charge and achieve something. Again I can't disagree, but I think push come to shove and he'd do it. I'm done with this two horse race, there's no respect to the electorate, they pay lip service to things that affect millions of people and then do whatever they want, treating us like idiots, all because there's no genuine opposition, Labour and the cons are two Liberal lefty parties, the only difference is Labour is bordering far left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 16, 2021 Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 As if we needed anymore evidence. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10312757/Poorer-workers-state-pension-EARLIER-better-off.html?ico=amp-comments-viewall&_gl=1*21cuzz*_ga*S3NnRV9FMDluaXBwaGNFeUV1NUpqQzNrUHkxWFpXT3RzclBfLS1rWnZEcHMtQ0o5bWlXN2pQOHdwTkE2RGV3Vg..#comments-10312757 Remind me again, I thought we'd voted in the Conservatives, not a lefty looney party! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 You have to go back to 1832 to find a time when this part of Shropshire had an MP that wasn't a Tory - and that was when they had two MPs and the other one was. In 45 minutes, it looks like that'll change as the Lib Dems have made a 30% swing and could have a margin of four figures. We wait, but this could be a dreadful night for the Tories North Shropshire could be going yellow and it's a big turn out (for a by election). 46.3% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 And there it is! Lib Dems go from third to first! Lib Dems: 17,957 Tories: 12,032 Labour: 3,686 37% increase to 47% of the vote. Tories went from 62% to 31% That is a very bad day at the office for Boris. Protest vote or not, that's a shellacking, especially in a constituency that voted 60% in favour of Leave. For that to suddenly go to the very Pro-EU Lib Dems to the tune of almost 6,000 is a bit of a shocker. 38,096 voted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Goodbye Boris . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhastings Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) In short which is the Lib Dems stance on hunting and shooting or are they all as bad as each other ? She seems keen to get behind farmers which you rarely hear Boris talk about Edited December 17, 2021 by captainhastings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 minute ago, captainhastings said: In short which is the Lib Dems stance on hunting and shooting Simple, as per any "socialist" party, ban it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted December 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Looks like his time is running out fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhastings Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Simple, as per any "socialist" party, ban it! Great no light at the end of that tunnel either then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 I trust Farage and predict that, if he stood, he would soon become PM. This country needs shaking up and ,even if you don't agree with Farage's politics, it's hard to do worse than the current bunch. How many times can a Government get away with lying and cheating so blatantly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, bruno22rf said: I trust Farage and predict that, if he stood, he would soon become PM. This country needs shaking up and ,even if you don't agree with Farage's politics, it's hard to do worse than the current bunch. How many times can a Government get away with lying and cheating so blatantly? Bang on 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, bruno22rf said: I trust Farage and predict that, if he stood, he would soon become PM. This country needs shaking up and ,even if you don't agree with Farage's politics, it's hard to do worse than the current bunch. How many times can a Government get away with lying and cheating so blatantly? It ain’t gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, bruno22rf said: How many times can a Government get away with lying and cheating so blatantly? They have all been doing it consistently since B Liar came to power and showed them that they could get away with it. As a side point the socialists are still doing it in opposition (ref anti Semitism) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Yellow Bear said: As a side point the socialists are still doing it in opposition and it didn't do their vote much good either; I believe it was (even) lower than at the last general election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted December 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: and it didn't do their vote much good either; I believe it was (even) lower than at the last general election? I would think a bit of tactical voting was in play ,but also add their prospects are not strong. I see labour's position as follows. Torys are the number one power and in government Liberals are the opposition in many southern and rural seats Scots nats hold all the cards in Scotland Wales is a right old mishmash The only power base of labour is in the inner cities , I don't think they have the slightest possibility of ever getting an overall majority in the UK. Best they can ever hope for is some cobbled together coalition which would be lucky to last a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, bruno22rf said: I trust Farage and predict that, if he stood, he would soon become PM. This country needs shaking up and ,even if you don't agree with Farage's politics, it's hard to do worse than the current bunch. How many times can a Government get away with lying and cheating so blatantly? understand entirly what you are saying.........but it takes time to build a politicle party with crederbility...look at germany pre war.....how dire things were......it was at the stage .."anything is better than what we have got".....then there was some clever oritory.....the heavy stamp of boots to take authority...........you know the rest........... think farage was a man of his time...he did a job...end of.......... what we need to concentrate on is re-developing our connections with the rest of the world....increasing and taking back our manufacturing base.....the country needs to make money...and be free of europe....once we are ..our own people again then we will be in the position to dictate and do what needs to be done........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, ditchman said: understand entirly what you are saying.........but it takes time to build a politicle party with crederbility...look at germany pre war.....how dire things were......it was at the stage .."anything is better than what we have got".....then there was some clever oritory.....the heavy stamp of boots to take authority...........you know the rest........... think farage was a man of his time...he did a job...end of.......... what we need to concentrate on is re-developing our connections with the rest of the world....increasing and taking back our manufacturing base.....the country needs to make money...and be free of europe....once we are ..our own people again then we will be in the position to dictate and do what needs to be done........... Who are you! And what have you done with Ditchy?? Your bang on the money for me. So the Lib dems have 13, might now be 14 MPs they will achieve absolutely nothing, it's a protest vote plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 Hello, I wonder how many did not vote due to the despair in politics ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 17, 2021 Report Share Posted December 17, 2021 I somehow doubt it has any relevance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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