ditchman Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 I hate with a passion Clive Lewis MP Norwich.......he is a nasty piece of work and has a nasty personnel life which was exposed a while back...also he is a mis-informed LIAR he is now banging the drum for slavery reperation.............there are estimates that the monertary figure that agrevied peoples are demanding is ..........................wait for it ..£18 Trillion quid are we all going to cough up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 My family tree like most in the UKs almost certainly goes back to peasants and surfs. What on earth do I owe them repatriations for. The whole thing is ludicrous. Perhaps we should start locking people up whos great grandparents broke the laws of today to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 Love it ! Whos paying it, and whos getting the (theoretical) money ? 1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said: My family tree like most in the UKs almost certainly goes back to peasants and surfs. What on earth do I owe them repatriations for. The whole thing is ludicrous. Perhaps we should start locking people up whos great grandparents broke the laws of today to. Absolutely. They cant even accuse our ancestors of voting in the government that supported slavery, because we couldnt vote 😆 Best bit is, if the Brits didnt take a stand for the abolishment of African slavery, it would have gone on far longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 (edited) This. Always was. Always will be. This. If you, today, still directly benefit from it then you still, today, directly hold the "amount owing on account" to be paid for it. And by vice versa if you don't and didn't hold any direct benefit from it then you've nothing owing. James Connolly on George V on his State Visit to Dublin in 1911: We will not blame him for the crimes of his ancestors if he relinquishes the royal rights of his ancestors; but as long as he claims their rights, by virtue of descent, then, by virtue of descent, he must shoulder the responsibility for their crimes. 44 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: My family tree like most in the UKs almost certainly goes back to peasants and surfs. What on earth do I owe them repatriations for. Correct. And rightly therefore you owe nothing. But there will be those who own great mansions and grand houses bought on the profits of slavery by their forefathers that perhaps do? It was, some sources claim, only in the last decade that the UK Government finally paid off the interest on the instruments it took out to compensate the great sugar plantation owning estate families when slavery was abolished. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Compensation_Act_1837#:~:text=The Slave Compensation Act 1837,law on 23 December 1837.&text=An Act to carry into,upon the Abolition of Slavery.&text=Together with the Slavery Abolition,money sent abroad for investment. Edited October 24 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 We are known as a soft touch Country, we will take anyone from anywhere and then let them disappear into the system, nothing surprises me anymore, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 47 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: My family tree like most in the UKs almost certainly goes back to peasants and surfs. What on earth do I owe them repatriations for. The whole thing is ludicrous. Perhaps we should start locking people up whos great grandparents broke the laws of today to. Yes like my family. An agricultural worker in those days was no better than a slave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 I regard those who cry for reparations as idiots. They draw a line in the sand which suits their purpose. They don't go back to the Roman days, nor do they look to the slave labour in Germany, Burma, China etc in far more recent times. They also ignore the Barbary Coast pirates who took Cornish people as slaves. Unless someone can prove that my family directly benefitted from slavery, it has nothing to do with me. Frankly it is pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 Maybe we should charge those that were not enslaved for the cost of the English Royal Navy that carried out anti slavery patrols for years, a well known practice that seems to get forgotten whenever it's convenient? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 24 Author Report Share Posted October 24 research where the word "slave" comes from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 According to Keir and Reeves it’s not going to happen. We couldn’t even afford half the amount being bandied about by some judge. Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 I don't want to go off topic here but just where is the world heading. Common sense appears to have left and been replaced with the feelings of a looney minority in relation to all sorts of topics. All this in my own life time. The thought of where it all ends up is frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 4 hours ago, Rewulf said: Best bit is, if the Brits didnt take a stand for the abolishment of African slavery, it would have gone on far longer. Perhaps that is what the reparations are for.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: I don't want to go off topic here but just where is the world heading. Common sense appears to have left and been replaced with the feelings of a looney minority in relation to all sorts of topics. All this in my own life time. The thought of where it all ends up is frightening. That's WOKE for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 It's a totally insane idea. We should role it back in history as a starting point. This is the issue faced by following through on democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 24 Author Report Share Posted October 24 this thing has the legs to go "nuclear" if starmer caves in...............£18trillion quids....it will break the country...and like all the billions of quid we have given in aid it will end up being spent on arms and mercedes and will be peed up against the wall FACT........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 Anyone’s relatives bomb Germany in the Second World War? Stand by for compensation claims incoming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 24 Author Report Share Posted October 24 im bricking it.........the other part of my family is Ryan from county cork.....we ran Barqentines backwards and forwards to the west coast of Africa.....slaves an' spices...mate mum's the word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbyathome Posted October 24 Report Share Posted October 24 Why should I pay for what happened 250 years ago we should be suing the Italians for the romans taking most of England and using us as slaves 😂 the most stupid woke thing I have heard for ages oh I have got a solution say sorry for our forefathers history that sorts out one of their arguments and you can have a million pounds compensation each if you can get your great great great grandad that died enslaved in 1850 to personally come up and take his cash until that jog on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 This is surely akin to prosecuting parents for the wrong doing of their children, as they brought them into the world? The sins of a person should die with that person. It is not to be inherited through a simple act of being born. Also, if we are using the mansion reasoning, at what point does someone hold a valid claim? I would suggest that person needs to be directly affected and be able to claim from that estate, and not a future bloodline. At some point the buck has to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 Who would the reparation be paid to? There have been a few high profile black people that have looked in to their families pass only to find out they owned or traded slaves, I think one is Idris Elba. Would Barack Obama's ancestors think being a slave was a price worth paying for where it has put their family now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 13 hours ago, Gordon R said: I regard those who cry for reparations as idiots. They draw a line in the sand which suits their purpose. They don't go back to the Roman days, nor do they look to the slave labour in Germany, Burma, China etc in far more recent times. They also ignore the Barbary Coast pirates who took Cornish people as slaves. Unless someone can prove that my family directly benefitted from slavery, it has nothing to do with me. Frankly it is pathetic. The very word 'slave', derives from the name, 'Slav', the white eastern european people's who were enslaved by the Ottomans. 1 hour ago, bluesj said: Who would the reparation be paid to? There have been a few high profile black people that have looked in to their families pass only to find out they owned or traded slaves, I think one is Idris Elba. Would Barack Obama's ancestors think being a slave was a price worth paying for where it has put their family now? The Anglo's bought slaves from the west African states, who in turn raided interior tribes, sold family, etc, etc. I wonder how much the likes of Beinin are being asked to cough up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claydodger Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 No wonder this country is in debt, not only do we have to apologise for everything that happened in the past, we are expected pay for it, keep sending aid to all and sundry, accomodate and pay for economic immigration, it took us over 60 years to pay for the lend lease act for a war that some one else started. As far as I'm concerned, no reperation, no more aid and no more economic migrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 1 hour ago, claydodger said: No wonder this country is in debt, not only do we have to apologise for everything that happened in the past, we are expected pay for it, keep sending aid to all and sundry, accomodate and pay for economic immigration, it took us over 60 years to pay for the lend lease act for a war that some one else started. As far as I'm concerned, no reperation, no more aid and no more economic migrants. What is sad is having raped, plundered and pillaged our way across the world, led the world through the industrial revolution, had a good chunk of oil and gas reserves, that we now have so little to show for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 1 hour ago, claydodger said: As far as I'm concerned, no reperation, no more aid and no more economic migrants. That would be nice. I'd be just as happy for Starmer to simply come out and say no chuffing chance, that would be a great start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 11 hours ago, ditchman said: this thing has the legs to go "nuclear" if starmer caves in...............£18trillion quids....it will break the country...and like all the billions of quid we have given in aid it will end up being spent on arms and mercedes and will be peed up against the wall FACT........ Worry not it's already broken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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