jam1e Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) Morning folks, I'm after a few constructive opinions on whether i should tell a permission holder where to go, or put up with his continual sarcastic and at times unpleasant behaviour?? I've been using this permission on and off for 20 years. I've always told them to call me whenever they have a problem, day or night! And i'm usually there within 24 hours. 2 seasons ago they had 2 particular foxes that were seen running from the Lambing shed, (In sheds due to poor weather) Really freaking the Ewes out. 24 hours later they were dispatched. Called to a cornered angry injured fox, presume hit be a care. I turned up and dispatched it within an hour. As for keeping in top of 4 different locations where Rape is being grown is a tall order. Especially as they're untrusting of strangers. You get the picture.... Anyhow, all through these 20 odd years, The one brother has always been sarcastic, condescending, and patronising, albeit subtley. Yet the other is a really nice bloke. I was told by the decent farmer to turn up when i want, just let them know i'm around. Which i always do by txt message. I try to deal with the decent one, but on ocassions i have to put up with gob ite. I'm always polite, despite his behaviour. The decent brother recently told me his brother gets off on being an A Hole and likes it. It makes him "him feel good" "Feel in control". Now his farm is around 500-600 acres spread over different shooting grounds, within a 5 mile diameter. So i have an open ticket. And the land is varied' arable, grass fields, and a woodland that he's turned into a family, dog walking, and horse riding picnic orientated arrangement with wide enough grass tracks you can easily drive through. I even spotted picnic table and chairs. He moans why i don't shoot in there, or go any where near it. YES! He really does. And this pee's him off. I've explained that most of his problems get sanctuary in the woods. Even he should work that out!!.... I have 4 other permissions i could go to, with a wide variety of hunting to be had over 1500 acres in total. The one being distant family linked, who i get on with great! Which is good as it's the best ground. Do i tell him to shove it. Or put up with it due to sentimental reasons, ? just because i properly started out there. And also don't want to lose a permission if possible.... He's told me he has somebody taking care of the rape. Good! That takes the heat off me. I was hoping to join up with whoever he or she is, to drive the feather from me to him or her, back and forth. But he keeps avoiding the subject.. He may be blagging me? He won't even give me the vehicle they use, so i can avoid that plot for safety reasons. Apologies for the long post, Or if I've left bits out, I needed to put you in the picture. As I've said, Constructive opinions appreciated. Cheers. Jamie Edited February 23, 2019 by jam1e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Sharpe Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 I know, permissions are hard to come by, but shooting is my hobby, a time to relax and enjoy some hassle free personal time, so I wouldn't be taking any of this, particularly as you have other permissions. I have a farm owned by two brothers, luckily they are both decent guys who are always pleased to see me. Good luck Mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 my view is take the A hole for a beer;it is amazing how some people can change opinions.He clearly has issues and it is most likely something other than you but I would face it up;can't be too pleasant at least after this you will know where you stand...either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) Jamie, next time he starts giving you a hard time, look him in the eye's and smile sweetly. Then punch him square on the nose and tell him to shove it. Sorry missed your last sentence, ommit the punch bit. Edited February 23, 2019 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 I can't be doing with it. One permission I had was always moaning and laying it on with all sorts of carp. I haven't bothered going back. Seen him about and he always asks but I'm not that bothered. As others have said its meant to be relaxing and not a chore. Personally I think it's being alone in tractors all day and spraying chemicals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu64 Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Everyone will have a different opinion on this but it sounds like you've reached a point here where a decision is going to be made by you, one way or the other. Personally I would ask the bloke point blank if I was still welcome on the land, as his attitude and comments to me were not what I would expect from someone I was trying to help, by way of controlling vermin on his land. Sometimes people laugh it off and say things like "take no notice of me, its just my way" or he may front up and admit he has a problem with you. Either way its out in the open and he will know sly comments are not your thing. No one likes be talked down to or belittled. Hope it works out for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prem1234 Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 It sounds as though the bloke is a bit of a **** who feels empowered and thinks he can talk to you in that way as he feels he's doing you a favour etc. I bet he's got a small **** and his wife calls the shots at home !! Personally I'd walk away....As has been said shooting is a time for 'me' time where you can get absorbed in the day and forget about life's worries etc and enjoy your surroundings and the sport so having a idiot like that to deal with takes the edge off of it. Either way I hope it works out for you 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Life's too short to take guff from a tool like that. But it depends on how much you want the permission. I've dealt with boys like that through work, but you just have to bite your tongue in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 walk. and tell the decent bloke why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted February 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Thanks for your comments folks. I appreciate i don't get out to shoot as often as i'd like. But i have mobility problems, due to degenerative disc desease. I've 3 metal fused discs in my lumbar. And it looks like i'll have 1 or 2 done in my neck this year. And possibly have my Sacro/iliac joints fused next year. If i agree to them obviously. I don't get out much, mainly to shoot a few targets, or do some pest control. The last thing i need is a moron like him making my life more difficult than it already is.... Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 You get people like that in life, but if you get on with the other brother and you have put up with the bad one for 20 years what as change to make you ask the question now? think if he did not want you on the ground he would have told you by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 40 minutes ago, islandgun said: walk. and tell the decent bloke why Exactly what id do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Start treating everything he says as though he means it like a joke. Drives them crackers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Ignore him. You're shooting his land, not socialising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 If he is the sort of person who is always belittling others .and does it to most people then just ignor it the best you can .you wont change him .and unless you have to spend a lot of time in his company i would just let it wash off you and keep the contact as brief and matter of fact as possible . Just think how sad he must be on the inside . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbob Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 I gained and lost a permission in the space of a week. My dad rents grass keep each year from his neighbour. She's difficult to get on with at the best of times. He said he could do with me going in there shooting the crows to keep them of the bales as the attack the wrap. I saw her so asked if I could go in and sort the crows out for me dad. Also asked if I could use me 22rf in there on any vermin. She said yeah ok as long I leave dear and hares alone. I said ok. Skip forward a week and me dad says he's seen her about paying for the ground and she's changed her mind on me shooting over it. Oh well, sooner dad buys it the better. You just can't predict some people. If I was you I would stick it out. His brother has said its his way. You get on with the guys brother so I would deal mainly with him and limit the contact with the other brother. Not worth loosing ground for someone's way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Depends on the value the shooting has to you. Ive bits that have everything and would turn a blind eye to a fair bit just for the sake of keeping it.Have had the odd place where it can be hard work but im thick enough skinned to either let it fly or give it back and if they dont like it then thats up to them. At the end of the day,im a guest on their land so their rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Permissions can come and go through no fault of the shooter. I'd tell the not so nice brother to get bent personally. Especially as you have other places to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 6 hours ago, islandgun said: walk. and tell the decent bloke why This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 No Have a conflab with the better half and sort out the problem In no walks of life is there any person better than another I have dealt with all kinds so called generals . majors and the like and they are no better person as ones self I have never doffed my cap to no man and never will including dukes or Earls and viscounts We ae all equals and have shot with such, Only thing i found is they have been left more money than myself and many others but cannot shoot for their life Have a little word with the better person and ask IF there is a problem You're doing them a favour by vermin control Fact Who else does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 as said deal with the good one, and keep away from the other one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 17 hours ago, ehb102 said: Start treating everything he says as though he means it like a joke. Drives them crackers. Many many moons ago when I joined the police force my Sergeant gave me a very useful piece of advise. Should I come across an aggravating mouthy abusive person, to adjust my attitude to a really sugary nice pleasant smiley approach, then nick 'em and as said above it absoutely drives them barmy. How good is the ground you have ? Could you replace it ? Personally I would drive the bloke crazy as above and keep on enjoying the benefits if not let me know where it is and introduce me as your succesor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 I suppose it all depends on how desperate you are to hold onto the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 23 hours ago, dougall said: my view is take the A hole for a beer;it is amazing how some people can change opinions.He clearly has issues and it is most likely something other than you but I would face it up;can't be too pleasant at least after this you will know where you stand...either way. excactly this.............it will totally disarm him...........just be really nice to him.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 If you are really attached to the land you will have to deal with the man whether you want to or not. A novel approach might be 'I really enjoy your sarcastic sense of humour'. Personally, if I have bad vibes from a landowner, farmer, farm manager or other shooters I just ease myself out of it. Life is too short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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