Rem260 Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mice! said: What can you shoot with a crossbow? That you can't shoot with an air pistol or rifle? You can't hunt, most ranges probably wouldn't let you on, and the power makes them dangerous, its only the power that most people want them Do you also advocate that we should all drive around base model cars as all people want performance cars for is their power primely. No need for a GTI when a lower power model will get you there. Cars kill around 3500 people a year with excess/inappropriate speed being the main factor. No need to go faster than 70mph with most cars not using motorways we could even restrict cars to 50mph just to be on the safe side. Edited July 11 by Rem260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 It was a real scumbag who committed this crime - from a real scumbag family too by the sounds of it. It’s in none of our interests that individuals like this can get hold of a crossbow. If the end result is that crossbows are classified as Section 2 then I see that as a good thing. If this man had applied for a SGC then he would have been rejected by the sounds of it. If the usual suspects use this event to stealthily introduce more restrictions on shooting then that’s where I will make my opposition known. Hopefully this will not be the case. In summary, if someone is seen fit to possess a shotgun then they should be permitted to possess a crossbow. If they would not be seen as fit to possess a shotgun then they should not be permitted to possess a crossbow. It’s as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Rem260 said: Do you also advocate that we should all drive around base model cars as all people want performance cars for is their power primely. No need for a GTI when a lower power model will get you there. Cars kill around 3500 people a year with excess/inappropriate speed being the main factor. No need to go faster than 70mph with most cars not using motorways we could even restrict cars to 50mph just to be on the safe side. Without wishing to take the discussion off topic, I'd have no problem with speed limited vehicles, what justification can anyone have for owning a car capable of more than twice the highest speed limit in the country? With regard crossbows, I have no interest in them and wouldn't want to own one, however I'm sure some people do. If you have and can demonstrate a legitimate reason for owning one, then I'm sure you'd have no objection to controls that prevent casual purchase. Edited July 11 by Wymondley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 Just now, Wymondley said: Without wishing to take the discussion off topic, I'd have no problem with speed limited vehicles, what justification can anyone have for owning a car capable of more than twice the highest speed limit in the country? This ^^^ it follows the same logic. It's far easier to restrict minority interests than those of the wider public. Soon we will be eating steak with a spoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 3 minutes ago, Genghis said: It was a real scumbag who committed this crime - from a real scumbag family too by the sounds of it. It’s in none of our interests that individuals like this can get hold of a crossbow. As horrific as this is, if the "scumbag" didn't have access to a crossbow, he would still have committed this atrocity with another weapon/implement 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 those calling for a ban are ignoring the fact unless his victims were already restrained said nut could not have loaded and fired a crossbow three times without things going badly wrong for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 (edited) 37 minutes ago, oowee said: This ^^^ it follows the same logic. It's far easier to restrict minority interests than those of the wider public. Soon we will be eating steak with a spoon. And pre-minced too. But that's known as being geriatric. Edited July 11 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 I am not really into bows or crossbows , but what do play on my mind is how can the father and husband of the deceased ever get over this nightmare , I lost my wife just before Christmas through natural causes and even seven months later I still miss her every day , that poor man must be going through hell and no words from the world over will ever bring his wife and daughters back . R I P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 2 hours ago, Genghis said: summary, if someone is seen fit to possess a shotgun then they should be permitted to possess a crossbow. If they would not be seen as fit to possess a shotgun then they should not be permitted to possess a crossbow. It’s as simple as that. Which would effectively ban them, because people wouldn't go the hassle of applying for a licence 👍 41 minutes ago, marsh man said: I am not really into bows or crossbows , but what do play on my mind is how can the father and husband of the deceased ever get over this nightmare , I lost my wife just before Christmas through natural causes and even seven months later I still miss her every day , that poor man must be going through hell and no words from the world over will ever bring his wife and daughters back . R I P It doesn't bare thinking about does it 😥 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 I would like to know how he managed to tie up three people, (presumably unwilling), before shooting them? Something not right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 12 hours ago, London Best said: I would like to know how he managed to tie up three people, (presumably unwilling), before shooting them? Something not right there. I doubt we will ever know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanMc Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 A 26 year old arrested ( in hospital in critical condition after being found wounded). Sounds like a person who shouldn't have had access to a plastic spoon nevermind a crossbow. A nightmare for the family and friends of all involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 11 minutes ago, RyanMc said: A 26 year old arrested ( in hospital in critical condition after being found wounded). Sounds like a person who shouldn't have had access to a plastic spoon nevermind a crossbow. A nightmare for the family and friends of all involved. Dose anyone know what type of wounds he got and how he got them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 Don't hold your breath waiting for the Police to give any details........................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 I’ve read his brother is doing life for murder as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: Dose anyone know what type of wounds he got and how he got them Apparently he shot himself in the chest with the crossbow. I'm not sure why we're wasting NHS resources to save him so he can then spend the rest of his life in prison. Edited July 12 by Wymondley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 16 hours ago, marsh man said: I am not really into bows or crossbows , but what do play on my mind is how can the father and husband of the deceased ever get over this nightmare , I lost my wife just before Christmas through natural causes and even seven months later I still miss her every day , that poor man must be going through hell and no words from the world over will ever bring his wife and daughters back . R I P I've been thinking the same thing, he's lost his wife and daughters in the prime of their life,in the most barbaric circumstances. I just don't know how anyone can ever come back from that, it's awful to read about, I've thankfully no comprehension how he must be feeling, I'm glad to read he has one other daughter, as at least he still has something to live for. 4 minutes ago, Wymondley said: Apparently he shot himself in the chest with the crossbow. I'm not sure why we're wasting NHS resources to save him so he can then spend the rest of his life in prison. Bring him back to health and then hung drawn and quartered, if there's any justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 18 hours ago, JKD said: As horrific as this is, if the "scumbag" didn't have access to a crossbow, he would still have committed this atrocity with another weapon/implement 😕 I think the problem we have in this country aren't weapons, but culture. Now the scrotes know the effectiveness of crossbows, it's criminal use will exponentially increase. Take acid attacks as an example, it didn't used to be an issue in the UK and was unheard of, as attacks began to happen here (the reasons for that I'm not going to go into), criminals realised acid was easy to get hold of, highly effective in achieving their aim of intimidation and violence and was able to do extraordinary damage to their victims without killing them, therefore avoiding being charged with murder if caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 23 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I think the problem we have in this country aren't weapons, but culture. Imported culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondoggy Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 On 11/07/2024 at 11:05, Rem260 said: I would hazard a guess that more people have been assaulted/killed by golf clubs but we don't hear a call for them to be licensed/banned. The clue is in the name ‘Golf Clubs’. Why call them clubs if you’re not going to whack someone with them? Golf bats is a much better term. It really winds up golfers when you admire their lovely set of bats. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 On 11/07/2024 at 11:44, Dougy said: Apparently his brother Bradley is a convicted of murderer going back to 2017. 3 hours ago, muncher said: I’ve read his brother is doing life for murder as well. I suppose someone will defend him pulling the PTSD card, had he seen any active service or just done the basic training and then jacked ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 4 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: I think the problem we have in this country aren't weapons, but culture. Now the scrotes know the effectiveness of crossbows, it's criminal use will exponentially increase. Take acid attacks as an example, it didn't used to be an issue in the UK and was unheard of, as attacks began to happen here (the reasons for that I'm not going to go into), criminals realised acid was easy to get hold of, highly effective in achieving their aim of intimidation and violence and was able to do extraordinary damage to their victims without killing them, therefore avoiding being charged with murder if caught. This is exactly the problem, it becomes cool and part of the scumbag culture that is so pervasive in this part of the world. In the UK for a while it was converted blank fire pistols that enabled scumbags to rattle off rounds before they blew up in their hands, then there was the acid attacks as you say. Knife crime has always been here. It's no different to the USA and the continual back and forward over gun control, the problem isn't the object used in the crime, its the criminal that for whatever reason has decided he's going to commit a crime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted July 12 Report Share Posted July 12 2 hours ago, Rob85 said: It's no different to the USA and the continual back and forward over gun control, the problem isn't the object used in the crime, its the criminal that for whatever reason has decided he's going to commit a crime This is why I don’t think the knife carry laws work. If somebody intends to kill commit murder with a knife then they’re not going to be worried about a potential 5 year sentence for carrying the knife - they’re already committed on partaking in a much more serious crime. The knife carry laws are more likely to cause issues for those who legitimately need a knife than prevent any crime. What’s needed is more stop and search, particularly in areas where knife crime so high - whether it causes offence or not. Most of those who kill with knives are already well known to police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 15 Author Report Share Posted July 15 On 12/07/2024 at 21:06, Genghis said: What’s needed is more stop and search, particularly in areas where knife crime so high - whether it causes offence or not. Most of those who kill with knives are already well known to police. Racist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 On 11/07/2024 at 20:26, marsh man said: I am not really into bows or crossbows , but what do play on my mind is how can the father and husband of the deceased ever get over this nightmare , I lost my wife just before Christmas through natural causes and even seven months later I still miss her every day , that poor man must be going through hell and no words from the world over will ever bring his wife and daughters back . R I P Keep your chin up MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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