bluesj Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, fatchap said: I'm just assuming. I've seen some cheap survival/zombie knives and the blade has hardly any fixing to the handle at all so would probably break off given enough force, I always thought that Stanley knives where the "weapon" of choice for these people. . Sure in the thing I was reading they said that Stanley type knives had lost popularity because they don't look impressive and sheath knives etc are too expensive but kitchen knives are easy to steal from shops or homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, bluesj said: It looks like the knife crime over here has the same causes as gun crime in the US gangs and drugs, but as normal its easier to stop you or I having a folding knife that is safer to use because the blade locks that to try to sort out the causes of the problem, or even to admit that its mostly caused by and too certain ethnic groups. Nailed it there.Same with legitimate gun owners. We have to abide by the law or we lose our licences.cleaner than clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 54 minutes ago, fatchap said: All good points. Rumour has it that it was a gang initiation. How can you want to be part of a gang so bad that you stab some totally innocent person you dont even know? was it a "white" gang??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 I think you will find that the brewery and distillery industries have killed more people than all the knife crime in the world put together. The ignorant numptys in the pub need either education or eradication. It's a shame you can't go out for a pint in your local without this kind of behaviour in your face, ive had similar when someone makes a stupid comment when I pop in after a nights foxing. The regulars just stand back and wait. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 A stabbing tool can be made from anything . Hell even a stick can be sharpened and be used. So we best cut down all the trees and ban amyone from growing them incase a stick is used to kill some one . As has been said many times before its not the knife or the gun or any tool that is the issue .its the motive behind the attack thats the issue. And thats what needs to be adressed . You cant just ban everything. And in someways this latest knife crime issue has massively highlighted that fact and taken the pressure off gun control /crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 33 minutes ago, fatchap said: I honestly have no idea how the powers that be can tackle knife crime. Ban selling them? impossible to many legitimate uses. They are too easily available after all some scroat that was to stab someone as said on here only has to look in the kitchen drawer and is spoilt for choice. There was something mentioned on TV this week about a big purge in Glasgow some time ago concerning knife crime which was successful but no details were given as to what was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Strange thing is that knives aren’t the main threat here. The good old UK has just caught up with the developing world, bike spokes are becoming a problem. A sharpen bike spike through the back of the ribs is very effective in piercing the heart. Cheap, easily obtainable and quickly disposable. Used widely in Africa for many years its now prevalent in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Why are people caught with 12" zombie knives not banged up for a very long time? Instead of blaming it on the fact he's poor/in a gang/from a broken home, he should be prosecuted for knowingly and willingly breaking the law. It's not rocket surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Much as agree with Peter Hitchens most of the time and certainly as far as police numbers being irrelevant to the increase in knife crime, I don't however buy his marijuana theory. In my opinion, parents who raise their children in a proper family environment with standards, rules and values, where the parents take a positive interest in their children's education and develop and prepare them to be adults who can have a place in society as well as setting a good example for the children (especially from fathers) simply don't produce young people who will go out and stab someone. It's not society, it's not drug use, it's not lower police numbers, it's not failing schools, it's not to do with any lack of initiatives from the Mayor, the Chief Constable or the Home Secretary. It's 100% about poor parenting and/or absent parents - specifically fathers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Rather than blaming the object...knives or guns, we need to ask why are some sections of our society so keen on killing each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoolinDalton Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 hours ago, fatchap said: The one about items of murder was from a woman I have known for years someone I considered a friend. Better tell her if you see her again, not to use cutlery, specifically knives, when she's eating....as they are 'items of murder'! However, some folk do say strange things (and behave weirdly) when certain incidents happen, especially locally to them. Perhaps she was just as upset as anyone else over the sad death of a youngster and as she happened to know that you made knives, albeit for legal purposes, she vented her frustration / sadness/ anger towards you, unwarranted as it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 hours ago, fatchap said: Apparently she was stabbed so hard the handle broke off the knife, There was supposed to be a candle light vigil over the weekend but the police are still looking for the handle in the park. I'd guess the knife in question was cheap survival knife or zombie knife for the handle to break off, he probably still has it. I have heard they have arrested someone in connection with it up in Leicester but there is lots of talk flying around the area at the moment. There were about 3000 people on the streets for a peaceful march on Thursday in Romford. A 20 yo has been arrested, charged with murder and appeared in court along with a second person although I'm not sure what he is charged with. I'm local to you fatchap, the incident was just over 3 miles from me and the guy charged lived less than a mile away. The initiation theory doesn't stack up thankfully as there would surely be even more incidents like this happening. My son reckons it's almost certainly people off their faces with some kind of substance abuse - thankfully my lad has never been one to hang about on the streets and his spare time is taken up with football and mountaineering; long may that continue. Have you tried the Bear pub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatchap Posted March 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Never been in the Bear pub in the 20 odd years I have lived here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern01 Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) I believe most of the serious knife crime comes from ethnic minorities and people with mental health issues. I have been told some countries encourage them to come here because they can't or won't sort them out We had enough nutters of our own and now we have imported a load more. Edited March 10, 2019 by fern01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) drug gang territories etc very easy to take a life when you are feral and when you have not been thought right from wrong at home and did not go to school or did and get rewarded financially for turn up and disrupt classes ( when my oldest lad was in school he achieved 99.9% attendance and achieved good grades and he was not the only one and he or others were not allowed on a day trip to Alton towers but the trouble making types who got paid to turn up all got to go which makes me sick so we took him for achieving rather than rewarding bad behaviour ) plenty of kids grow up in bad areas and achieve good jobs from the ages of ten to eighteen why cannot the law/ courts give out ten or thirty lashes with a birch or whip depending on the crime when they cannot sit down they will remember the crime and history teaches us they did not go back for seconds and after that prison without x box I am in my mid 50s did not do me any harm having my *** whooped thought me right from wrong (back in the day ) i am not of the snowflake age thankfully my four kids have grown up with a moral compass and have been accountable for their actions from an early age and could not be any prouder of their achievements Edited March 11, 2019 by Saltings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) Any criminal act has an adverse effect beyond that relating to those immediately involved. Should the activity become widespread, then this effect can become disproportionate to the activity itself and as such the consequences can become far more serious. This should be recognised in law in such a fashion that if and when the occurence level reaches a given point then a prevalence factor can be invoked whereby the punishment for the offence is, say, doubled and only the maximum level can be awarded and with no remission granted. I think it's fairly safe to say that this condition has now been reached with knife crime. I don't think that 10 years inside for carrying a blade or life, meaning life, for using it is going to take up too many bed-spaces before the thought penetrates the cranial cavity of the dimmist potential perpetrator. Edited March 11, 2019 by wymberley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 10 hours ago, fern01 said: I believe most of the serious knife crime comes from ethnic minorities and people with mental health issues. I have been told some countries encourage them to come here because they can't or won't sort them out We had enough nutters of our own and now we have imported a load more. I would like to see data including the ethnic origin of perpetrators published, then the police could properly target the people who commit crimes, without fear of being accused of unfair bias and/or racism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, panoma1 said: I would like to see data including the ethnic origin of perpetrators published, then the police could properly target the people who commit crimes, without fear of being accused of unfair bias and/or racism! Good grief man, nobody will put their name to that, the Snowflakes would be up in arms calling for the human rights of the accused to be protected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 17 hours ago, fatchap said: The one about items of murder was from a woman I have known for years someone I considered a friend. You'd best tell her to hand in all those items of murder she has in her kitchen, then. Silly cow!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 Personally I’d still drink in there; just to pee them off if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 57 minutes ago, panoma1 said: I would like to see data including the ethnic origin of perpetrators published, then the police could properly target the people who commit crimes, without fear of being accused of unfair bias and/or racism! Unfortunately, good idea though it is, the liberal elite etc., would call it "racial profiling" and raise enough of a storm to make sure it isn't implemented. That's more or less what happened years ago when the police used stop and search mostly against young black males roaming the streets at night (for obvious reasons). The outcry from "community leaders" and the PC bleeding heart brigade forced the police to stop targeting those that everyone knows would be the most likely ones to be carrying weapons or illegal substances on the grounds of racial discrimination. Great for the smug, self satisfied diverstastic champagne socialists at the Grauniad or the BBC/Channel 4 etc but not so good for law and order since it left the police paralysed in their first practical attempt at crime prevention since the 1960s. That's why, as Peter Hitchens points out, increasing police numbers or patrols would have no significant effect since modern policing methods are entirely reactive rather than proactive when it comes to any form crime, not just knife crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 17 hours ago, Mice! said: There was something mentioned on TV this week about a big purge in Glasgow some time ago concerning knife crime which was successful but no details were given as to what was done. Yeah, but it was done by education and mentoring young people and some of the PW massive don`t agree with that cos it won`t work trying to hug a hoodie will it? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45572691 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 2 hours ago, panoma1 said: I would like to see data including the ethnic origin of perpetrators published, then the police could properly target the people who commit crimes, without fear of being accused of unfair bias and/or racism! Good luck with that, the data is not collected , so cant be published. Wonder why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Good grief man, nobody will put their name to that, the Snowflakes would be up in arms calling for the human rights of the accused to be protected! Very sadly that is probably true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butchdickason Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 The Police should be given the powers to stop and search any person, male,female, white black or anything inbetween, it should not be considered as an infringement of rights but an enforcement to make sure you are safe from those that do break the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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